@Ashleyj I tried Jam gel custard which i decided to buy based off of Mahoganycurls videos and it worked okay, but I wouldn't be able to use it for a wash n go which is what i'm aiming for. I recently bought La Bella lots of curls gel after watching good reviews on it on youtube, but I haven't yet tried it...I'm a little skeptical of it because it only has a hold of 8 and I usually need a product thats heavier.