Myrna, I have exactly the same experience as you: if I use just the foam I have great shiny curls that don't last - so that is why I think I need to use a gel over it.

BTW, the best curl creme I have tried is Curl Junkie Coffee Cocoa Curl-creme Lite (CCCL) which is a favorite of many on this site.

I never thought of curl creme and foam and I wonder whether that would give sufficient hold. Might be a great combo in different weather when the dewpoint is higher and there isn't much wind. More experimenting is in my future - I can see that.
2/c Coarse hair med. density.
Highly porous. Color over grey.
I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
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