It's okay...? I think I get the same definition/hold without it though, so either I'm not using it right (not enough), or I just don't need it. I'm leaning toward not needing it, though, because I've used it a lot of ways...

Unfortunately, I don't have pics.
Hair Type: 3c/4a, Coarse, Med-High Density, Med-Low Porosity
Curly since '09