Ok....that helps. I think maybe shoulder length when dry may be a good length for me. When I had it waist length...it seemed to drag my face down when I look at pics. It's lighter and swingier when shorter...but also not as curly. Like I need more hold...too much wind will actually mess it up...I gotta coax it more.

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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.