I like a little crunch, because I know it will hold my hair. However, I may have to give that up, as the products that give crunch may be the ones that are the problem. I am trying one gel at a time for now. Today is Biotera. Tomorrow may be LALSG, as that is what CurlyIndianGirl uses as her one product. However, I have to say that when I removed the clips from my hair yesterday after using CK, my hair looked like it had been professionally styled. But, soft and somewhat wilted by the end of the day. Still good though. Maybe we dont get everything we want.