Thanks for your recs. I think it's just my hair and the genes. I should also say that even when my hair was short touching shoulders, I would struggle to get any root curl.

Now its about past waist and touching hips barely. I used to think mine was thick hair, I change my mind after seeing yours, My hair is lot thin, its not thick at all, I would have to change my signature also
3a with some 2a-2c, Medium/Low Porosity
Co-wash:deva no-poo/Vo5 kiwi
Leave-in:Shea Moisture/GVP conditioning Balm/AOHSR

Since long hair- I finger twist in big chunks, which helps till 5th day hair
Gel:LA sports
Plop: Old T-shirt for 15 minutes ,diffuse