In SL's defense, it is simply not possible to discuss this specific topic without the shockingly gruesome details. The needless inhumanity of Kermit Gosnell's clinic is the heart of the matter.

But no, this does NOT happen to affluent white women, many of whom have access to a sympathetic OB-GYN who would perform an abortion in their safe, sanitary office. Several of the women who went to Gosnell were severely injured and at least one died. Rest assured, if that had happened to the Daughters of the Revolution, he would have been shut down in a New York minute.

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Originally Posted by yossarian
Exactly. There are ways to do even a very late term abortion that's safe for the woman and nothing at all like described. This does NOT happen to people with money and/or decent insurance.
Originally Posted by legends
But it's never safe for the baby. Whether it's killed inside or out, it's killed. And that is the sad part to me.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
This is where there's no point for argument. If SL considers a fetus a baby, and abortion murder, she will have a strong opinion one way.

If another person sees a fetus as something attached to a host, that is not a human being on its own, they will have a strong opinion another.

This is why this fight goes nowhere. There's no convincing on either side. Just different views.