my hair is almost waist length, wavy, and on the higher porosity side and a little thin for my taste, but not real bad. my ponytail is about quarter size. I have only tried two curl creams, but they tend to pull my wave out.

I have used L'Oreal ever curl and I can not remember the other one.

Any lighter ones?

anyone use the Diva Products. Thinking about them but, afraid to spend the $$$ only to have cur pulled out