What helps but are a pain are perm rods if you're going to do a twist out. But I will try this though to make my hair curlier & maybe not have to use the perm rods. I will try is waiting for my hair to curl back up before twisting my hair. What I do currently to make the twists look longer is detangle then twist. What I may try is detangle, let my hair curl back up, then twist. Happy experimenting to me.