Thanks for all the replies. I have tried several gels, I use Curly custard, it just doesn't have any hold for me. But great moisture, its a keeper but I want some hold so I mixed some Aveda confixor liquid gel..doesn't work to hold my curls (they turn to frizz in the late afternoon). I took it back and got some brilliant retexturizing gel, will try that with the CC. I also got a curl activator gel, no hold it was a clear one, long aid I believe it was. Again frizz by 3pm. Maybe not enough..?
I do use ooil and honey with my leave-in tho prior to the gel. Is that how you do it, the order..?
1.Oil of choice

And then I wait until it dries before touching again, but then I have the crunchies.