I used this yesterday with no leave in with pretty good results too. It has a decent hold which surprised me so there is a bit of a crunch to crunch out which I need. But once my hair is dry and crunched out I have nice soft curls. For the price - it was a decent find.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~