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cgsamco 12-10-2006 01:45 PM

Best way to hydrate curls after 15 years of straightening?
I'm not having any luck wearing my hair curly :evil: I have only been doing it a week but its hard to give it time when I have to go to work everyday and my hair is a mess :(

It looks kinda wiry, frizzy and the curls are ill-defined. I'm thinking that since i straightened it pretty much everyday for 15 years that its the damage :?

Can anyone give me good advice on how to hydrate my hair? What are some steps I should take to get my hair in good condition? I think it might make a difference.

Thanks :D

unique1193 12-10-2006 02:18 PM

Do lots and lots of deep treatments, use rich conditioners, stop shampooing often (if you havent already) and definitley start using products. In order for most curlies to go product free you need to have very healthy hair. Your hair does not seem like it is in tip top condition so it isnt going to look good without products.
Some great cheap gels are the ones in the herbal essences line: totally twisted, body envy, and set me up.

Also I dont know if you've read the Curly Girl (by Lorraine Massey) book or not, but if you havent i strongly suggest you do. It helped me so so much after I too straightened my hair for years.

cgsamco 12-10-2006 02:24 PM

Thanks :) So you think curly girl and deva products are the way to go? At least in the beginning? I've been going back and forth between Jessicurl and deva products. :?

I just got some HE totally twisted and have been doing co washes with suave coconut and aloe. But my hair isn't looking any better so far. My roots are also looking greasy from it?

tinicurlyd 12-10-2006 02:44 PM

it does take time for your hair to adjust to COwashing with condish , about 2-3 weeks to get use to it..just be patient and wait it out , eventually your curls will spring back..also i have used jessicurls and love her products , not sure on the other products u mentioned but im sure other curlis have had great success with devas. im a wavy and doing CG has brought curls that i didnt know i had =)

Kgrl17 12-10-2006 03:11 PM

One of the big things is that it will probably take you awhile to find the right products and routine for you. Maybe start by getting a trim on the ends of your hair where the most damge is? I DT every once in awhile but my hair is weighed down easily the next day so I put it up the following day or I just use heavy conditioners on the ends so that the rest of my hair isn't greasy.

Are you doing the Curly girl routine? It's also best to start out with a sulfate shampoo to get all of the build up out. Then start on CG with the co-washing and cone-free products. But eventually you will know if you need more hold in your products or something for frizz. I have good luck with some deva products (like One C) but the gels have no hold in my hair so it goes flat or frizzy very easily. I need to use a gel in combination with re:coil for hold/curl enhancing, and curl keeper for shine and fighting frizz, or I use jessicurl products with a gel for more definition and hold.

cgsamco 12-10-2006 03:59 PM

Well, I did get a trim a couple of weeks ago before I found this site. The guy not only trimmed it but he razored it too! I know, big mistake. He kept telling me it would thin out my hair and make it easier to manage. I didn't know anything about curly hair so I didn't realize he was ruining it :cry: Now its a frizzy mess. Even straight which he said it wouldn't be.

I'm not doing CG I don't think? :? I've been doing co washes with suave and using GF curl and shine conditioner, and GF curl and shine leave in. For gel i've been using HE totally twisted. So far my hair is not responding well. So I don't know if its the products or the shape my hair is in from the years of straightening.

I guess I should go on CG completely right? Cause what i'm doing is a modified version? then I can see how my hair is and what it needs.
Can you use Jessicurl products on CG? Or should I just go with Devacurl? I would like Jessicurls to work since they are better for my budget but I see alot of people don't like them for their hair.

Which products would get my hair in best shape? Any specifics items or brands are good. I'll buy and try anything to get my hair looking better! I should probably buy the curly girl book huh?


Kgrl17 12-10-2006 04:52 PM

^ Well there is a lot of people on here who are "modified CG." The only thing is that you cant used the products with sillicones (ending in cone, xane, etc) unless you are shampooing with sulfates to get them out,, because they will build up and make your hair undefined and frizzy.

There are people here who shampoo with a gentle shampoo about once a week or so or who co-wash different amounts, but you can't use the sillicone products then. Jessicurl is definitely CG and I love her products when paired with a gel for a little more hold. Devacurl products are CG but I know OneC has a cone down on the list. Most people have said it does not build up for them though. So, yup, I'd reccomend getting the CG book or learning about it from around here. If sillicones and shampooing work for your hair then you can stick to any products that you want, but if you're CG then you have to pay a little bit more attention to them.

cgsamco 12-10-2006 05:42 PM

one thing about Jessicurl products. Do they cause stiffness/crunchiness? or provide curl enhancing? I don't want either of those and am trying to figure out what products would be good for my hair that didn't cause these things?

tinicurlyd 12-10-2006 06:04 PM

I used the Confident Coils and Gelebration from jessicurls and find theres no crunch unles u pair them with a gel.. i heard Rocken Ringlets does have a slight crunch but u can just scrunch out the crunch and be fine.

SuZen 12-11-2006 07:21 AM

Jessicurl styling products are pretty non-crunchy. They are kind of unusual and they don't work for everyone. (Though some people get wonderful results.) I use Gelebration daily under my styling product to enhance the curl, but it doesn't work for me alone.

I adore Jessicurl's conditioners and I always come back to them.

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-11-2006 08:43 AM

I think for consistent results you should just stick to the either the Devacurl or Jessicurl COs and one of the gels for a few weeks and not use any others.

If you haven't read the book yet, the way to start is by doing CO washes (with a fingertip scalp massage and then a thorough water rinsing) with the same frequency that you would normally shampoo. Follow by reapplying your CO, rinse it off lightly, squeeze off the excess water and scrunch in your gel (you can see a "how-to" video at In between "washes" if you need to wet your hair just rinse it off with water and reapply CO and gel.

During your 2nd week do just 2-3 CO washes, on the third 1-2 (the goal is to do only one every week to 10 days) and keep rinsing and applying CO the rest of the time. If at some point your hair appears greasy, frizzy, "producty" or less curly, clarify by rinsing your hair with "Lemon-Aid": 2-3 Tbsp. of your CO mixed with the juice of one lemon or lime (less if your hair is short or fine) worked through your hair very well.

I recommend that you get jojoba oil, which is the most similar to our natural oil (sebum), to keep your hair soft and moisturized. You can rub 2-3 drops in your hand and rub them on your moist ends and "canopy" (back of hair) before applying the gel or after when scrunching off the gel stiffness. You can also make a DT (deep treatment) by adding 1-2 Tbsp. of it to your CO and applying the mixture on damp hair, covering it with a shower cap and then a towel and leaving it on up to an hour (if possible), then rinse off with "Lemon-Aid".

DominicanaHeat 12-11-2006 11:05 AM

Leave in conditioners! Whether it's a real leave in, or just some of your regular conditioner...leave it in! I never rinse mine out and it helped my hair regain moisture!

Csarac 12-12-2006 04:41 PM

When I saw that the salon razored your hair, I wanted to add my 2 cents:

You will probably get better curl formation once you cut off those razored ends. I had a stylist do this to me once and it RUINED my curl pattern. I think I waited a month and then bit the bullet and had the ends snipped someplace else, explaining the problem. I swear, my curls bounced back after that.

That razor is evil...

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-16-2006 01:28 AM

Yes, it is - take a look at the pic on the right:

Csarac 12-16-2006 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
Yes, it is - take a look at the pic on the right:

Thanks for that link. I actually shuddered at the thought of someone doing that to my hair again...

I don't think there will be anything you can do to tame the frizziness and improve the curl formation until you cut those razored ends off - no matter what products you use. I would definitely use the most gentle stuff you can find now to baby your hair, but I am pretty sure you will need to actually cut the ends off to make any change.

I truly had zero luck until I figured out what the problem was and just had them snipped off. Now, if I go to a salon the first thing I tell them is "NO thank you, I don't want my hair THINNED or RAZORED in any way." 'Cause sometimes they say "thinned" instead of "razored" (or at least that has been my experience) but it all equals the same frizzy, curlless mess in the end.

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-16-2006 11:20 AM

Thinning is and should be done (if at all) with thinning shears, not with a razor. This is what they look like:

Ladydncing 12-17-2006 07:33 AM

When I started transitioning, I started in the beginning using Ouidad DT and her whole line (her prices are outrageous, so maybe you can get a substitute or go to ebay). It did wonders for my hair, then I discovered the CG routine. I would recommend protein DT for now (moisturizing condtioner afterwards) and frequent trims or if you are brave a BC! :)

Oh, I agree with the above posters. Stay away from the razor! Been there done that!

HalfWavyHalfCurly 01-09-2007 02:16 AM

Bumping for newbies! :)

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