HELP ME PLEASE!!! For the love of God! Pt.2

First, let me say hello and my name is Natalie! I am so thankful that there is a site out there that I can post my questions on. I originally posted this question in the protein-sensitive thread but no one really looks over there so I figured I'd bring it over to the basic thread. If I'm in the wrong place, then someone please direct me to the right one!

I am multicultural and wear my 3c-4a hair (I'm not even sure what hair type it is because it has a lot of different textures in it but thank God for Avatars so that you can actually see what I'm sportin) natural and have been for the last 5 years. I have yet to find products that can give me the moisture I need and the definition I want. I have tried everything from Carol's Daughter to Mizani to now Curls and Shea Moisture and they both have made my hair like straw! After reading some of the information on here, I found that I am protein sensitive. So...what am I to do?

As of right now, I am using Silk Drops serum, which gives me some moisture but leaves it looking greasy and Tresseme's curl line. Compared to the "natural" lines I've tried these have worked the best but I still can't get my fingers through my hair when it dries. Does anyone have any suggestion for hydration and a styling cream that will leave my hair soft, silky and untangled? I spend about 60 dollars on product every time I try something new and it's starting to get annoying and expensive! Thankfully some places will let you return a product if you're not happy with it. I am going today to Target to try to return the Curls and SM line so while I'm there if anyone has any advice as to something I can get while I'm there please let me know! Thank you!
Why don't you try the Curly girl method (search it on the site) and my hair loves protein so I cant reccomemd any products for you tho
3a CG
Cleanser: shea moisture's african black soap cleanser or moisture retention shampoo
Conditioner: tresemme naturals, shea moisture restorative conditioner
Syler: shea moisture's curl soufflé and smoothie.
Have you tried KCCC?
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
KCCC is Kinky Curly Curling Custard. There's a lot of abbreviations on here, so this thread might help you:

Also, I second the suggestion about the CG method. It basically involves giving up shampoo and cleansing your hair with conditioner. It will probably give you some needed moisture, which your thirsty hair is craving. Here is a link to help you out:

Also, you may want to check out the Techniques Link. It's an awesome list of methods that most of us here use to bring out the best in our curls. Here's the link:

HTH get you started!
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
Wow, thank you! I'm on my way to Target now to return the scarecrow cream I picked up. I'll let you know if I get anything and how it's working.

The CG method is probably not going to work for me. I sweat a lot and my hair is a nightmare to work with if I don't shampoo at LEAST twice a week. I'm still working on that end of things. Again, trial and error.

Thank you so much! I'm excited to try the Kinky Curly even after I heard some bad reviews about it but it just might be the thing my hair needs.

If I can't find anything soon, I'm going Sinead! ...just playin!
The cg method cleans your head with a no poo or low pop so I don't think sweating affects it
3a CG
Cleanser: shea moisture's african black soap cleanser or moisture retention shampoo
Conditioner: tresemme naturals, shea moisture restorative conditioner
Syler: shea moisture's curl soufflé and smoothie.
Your hair and scalp is still perfectly clean with CG - your just not using shampoo which dries out your hair

I think you'll find your hair will become a lot easier to work with once it is moisturized properly - the trouble with shampoo is that it dries out your hair badly, and it takes a long, long time, to completely rinse out just one shampoo.
i think u should try it
start with a low poo/no poo
and a really good conditioner
then an ok conditioner to clean ur scalp on days u dont low poo/no poo
and then a good cone free styling product

everything must be sulfate and cone free! coco betaine and mild sulfates are ok for a low poo but i cant recommend anything cause i sadly dont kno whats good for ur hair porosity
3a CG
Cleanser: shea moisture's african black soap cleanser or moisture retention shampoo
Conditioner: tresemme naturals, shea moisture restorative conditioner
Syler: shea moisture's curl soufflé and smoothie.
I can vouch by saying that the CG method of cleansing/conditioning does work even if you sweat a lot! I workout 5-6 days/wk and sweat like a pig!!

I low poo 2x/wk, co wash 1x/wk and just water wash 2x/wk.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Beauticurls, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC
gels: CJ CQ, CJ Pattern Pusha, BRHG

OKay, so the KCCC is a LOT more sticky/crunchy than I thought it was going to be. I don't need a gel, I need something that is strictly a moisturizer. I also got the Knot Today so maybe if I use more of that and less of the KCCC that would help? I noticed that my curls....are more waves using the KCCC. It's so friggin weird. I don't have 3c-4a I have 3a hair more like. Just really dry. It goes into a wave or S pattern very easily but the ends curl into ringlets. I guess you can see what it's like when it's shorter from my avatar.

I also got KimbleHairCare because it didn't list any proteins and the Twisted Sista to try out. I almost grabbed KeraCare hair dressing as well but I thought better of it since it's heavy in Keratin. It's weird. My hair loves the stuff with the 'cones in it but HATES the natural stuff. I also switched shampoos today too and used the Tresseme's Moisture Rich and guess feels like someone dumped alcohol on my head. Problem? Wheat! Ding Ding Ding!

I almost, ALMOST splurged on the Miss Jessie's but I wasn't sure what to get for my hair type. So if anyone knows about those products, please let me know. If MS.J's has anything, ANYTHING that will leave my hair silky without the tack then I will pay the extreme amounts for it. Okay, pray for me please before I pull my hair out!!!
I would suggest that you read the website and then get the hair analysis service and the curl profile which gives you the texture, porosity and elasticity of your hair as well as recommended products.
This gives you a base to start with, instead of trying a lot of products that may or may not work for your hair. I think it's a well spent $20.
Hair analysis results - medium texture, low porosity and normal elasticity.
Shampoo: Giovanni tea tree triple treat
Conditioner: Giovanni 50:50
Co-wash: Suave naturals waterfall mist or wildcherry blossom
Gel: Loving flax seed gel!
Henna - yemeni henna and indigo from hennasooq
Miss Jessie's products are VERY expensive and filled with cheap ingredients like mineral oil. I used them before the ingredients changes and didn't find them anything special.

Second the recommendation for discovering your hair texture and porosity. It's really helpful in determining ingredient needs.

If you hair is dry, KCKT isn't going to do much in the moisture department. It's really a detangler. In this case, more isn't better. You want to use products that are richer and more emollient heavy if dryness is a problem. You also want to do deep treatments on a regular basis to get extra moisture into your hair. CJ Curl Rehab is a popular one that doesn't have protein in it.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
You might want to try the Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrition conditioner, it is very moisturizing and as I recall it is protein-free. If you have a Sally Beauty Supply store nearby, the Generic Value Products Conditioning Balm is a really nice thick conditiner that is also protein-free. Have you tried any natural oils like olive, coconut, argan or jojoba? They help seal in moisture after you've applied conditioner.
3a/b 'curly bob' in the mid-Atlantic. Goal: more 3b than 3a. CG Oct 2010.

Low-poo: Giovanni TTTT, Ion Swim
Co-wash: V05 Shea Cashmere
Rinse-out: SalonCare Apples & Pears, Tresemme Naturals
Leave-in: Cure Care, Ion Moisturizing Treatment
Stylers: Ecostyler Argan Oil, LALSG, LBLOC, Hold It! Wave Maker, LAL Beachy Waves Spray Gel. Also been using my diffuser more lately.
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVP Balm, Pure Elements Intense Repairing Treatment
It's funny that you mentioned the natural oils because I was just thinking today after talking to my SIL who has serious 4c hair, that I should try either coconut or shea. The thing that was holding me back was that I used that Doo Gro stuff and any of those types of oils make me break out something fierce and normally leave my hair greezy. But since they sell those at the Dollar Store I am going to try some to see how they help my hair.

*Update - So, I washed my hair yesterday and rinsed it today after the gym and used my KCKT and the spiral serum and the Spiral Serum seems to work better than the custard. I also might have used way too much custard since my hair is so fine and soaks up everything. The serum still kind of left my hair a bit "firm" but not crunchy. The KimbleHair I used like a pea size drop on and am wondering if that's not adding to the "crunchiness" as well. I plan on not washing until Wednesday but we'll see. My hair gets drier on days I don't shampoo so I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm also going to do the braid stretching technique tonight and tomorrow start doing deep treatments. Maybe my hair just needs a drink! Wish me luck! This is so frustrating.

Oh, and none of the oils have protein in it do they? I thought maybe the Shea Butter was a protein.
Oils are not proteins - that is why I suggested them for you As long as you get JUST the oil by itself, it should be protein-free. There are lots of products out there that are made with natural oils, but combined with other junk like petrolatum/mineral oil, silicones, etc. So look for pure oils, and always check the ingredients!
3a/b 'curly bob' in the mid-Atlantic. Goal: more 3b than 3a. CG Oct 2010.

Low-poo: Giovanni TTTT, Ion Swim
Co-wash: V05 Shea Cashmere
Rinse-out: SalonCare Apples & Pears, Tresemme Naturals
Leave-in: Cure Care, Ion Moisturizing Treatment
Stylers: Ecostyler Argan Oil, LALSG, LBLOC, Hold It! Wave Maker, LAL Beachy Waves Spray Gel. Also been using my diffuser more lately.
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVP Balm, Pure Elements Intense Repairing Treatment
I second the sallys version of GVP condition balm very heavy in the emollients. And I would even try to use it as a leave in after you wash and cond your hair. Just use a dime to quarter size on your wet hair before your prod. And not to balm-bard you with the CG method but it really works! check out the before and after threads.

O' food for thought, if you have loads of different prod. they do have a swap board where you can sell your prod. you dont like.
Armed with the Curl Analyzes!!!
texture: Fine
porosity: Normal
elasticity: Low

co:wash: V05 kiwi lime, CJDF
condish: TS avocado and aloe, GPV cond balm, Yes to carrots
leave in: KCNT
protein: CJ rehab
And yes I'm turning into a PJ
I second going CG - but modified - and purchasing the hair analysis from

Your hair is dry so going modified CG would definitely help. Stop using sulfates. You can find shampoos without sulfates - low poo - at health food stores. Conditioner washing never worked for me because my scalp is oily. However, every once in a while, when my scalp is dry, using a light conditioner like Suave Naturals as a shampoo, has helped.

Conditioner without protein - Jessicurl Too Shea. I can't think of anything else at the moment. You will need to leave a little bit of a rinse-out conditioner in. A gel like KCCC would prevent hair from losing its definition, as long as the hair is moisturized underneath.

Check the CG book out from the library or check the link that someone else has already posted. Once you learn more about the technique and ingredients, the tips everyone has already given will be more helpful because then you'll understand why they suggested them.

You seem lost in a world of products and techniques. This whole thing is trial and error. Also, don't focus so much on the curl type, but more on the properties - strand size, porosity, etc. I'm in the 3b/c range, and I use some of the same products as 3a and 4a curlies.
3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
I second (third? fourth?) the recommendation to find out your properties, stat. If you think you can do it yourself, great - but the best $20 I spent on my hair was the analysis and product recommendations from Live Curly, Live Free. From the moment you get your results back, you will know EXACTLY what products will work and what won't. From there, it's a matter of working out amounts of products, combinations of products, best time of year to use products, and techniques. I can't emphasize enough how much money and time you will save by knowing your properties. If you decide to go that route, go to Curl Wizard - Home and get the premium profile.

Just a side note on the KCCC - my hair needs a lot of moisture, and I find the KCKT/KCCC combo to be very moisturizing. Having said that, though, KCCC is very finicky and requires some experimentation. I will say that a little goes a long way - I use maybe a nickel's worth for my entire head, split into three sections, and my hair is maybe only a little longer than yours. It took me three cycles of using it, getting frustrated and putting it on the shelf, then taking it back out and trying again before I figured out the best way to use it on my head...and now it is my go-to styler. It may not be the styler YOU go to on a daily basis, but failing at it once or twice doesn't necessarily mean it won't work at all.

Good luck!!
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

I posted this on the review board as well. By the way, how do you review a product on your profile? And how do I change my birthday and add all that fancy-schmancy stuff under my tag line?

I went to get my hair trimmed today at a new salon and she advised me to use less product and only use leave-in's for moisture and a revitalizing spray for next day curls.

I tried the Bumble and Bumble Revitalizing spray tonight when I was messing around with my hair and...I LOVE IT!

I finally found my product! The stylist used a deep conditioning masque on my hair from B&B too and my hair was soo soft. (I never even heard of B&B before this.) Apparently my hair isn't dry or porous like I've been told by other stylists (or like I thought) who didn't know what they were talking about, it just had too many products on it from the EVOO I tried using and the other protein treatments that my hair didn't like. My hair was fried from the wrong products but once she got them out it went back to it's normal healthy state. So, even though the B&B line is expensive, it's one that so far is working well for me. But the trick is... to use less!

I also got the Light Curl Creme for fine curls, not the Curl Calmer and the Light Curl Creme has a very silky texture to it. I could tell before I put it in that it was going to work well. I also find that stretching my curls with this line works wonders! HTH to anyone looking at B&B!

Oh! And I'm also wearing a modified afro...I'm gonna blow it out tomorrow and mess around with it but...I'M NOT AFRAID TO GO BIG ANYMORE!! As long as my hair is healthy, I don't mind sporting big hair!

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