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missy15344 05-16-2011 07:35 PM

there's something wrong with my hair....
Hi everyone! I've been lurking here for about three months and have enjoyed everyone's posts, techniques, etc. You guys have been so much help! However, I have a really icky problem.

I have been CG for about 2 1/2 months. Yeah, at first my hair was stringy and looked worse but after a couple weeks my hair looked better than ever. Then...about 2 weeks ago my hair started looking worse. First of all, my hair is frizzy in the shower...yup, when it's wet. It has a bunch of tiny hairs sticking out from all the curls and it dries this way too. When I put products in my hair it feels like they don't really get absorbed or are able to get in. The squishiness when I pump or scrunch my curls isn't nearly how it used to feel. My curls are limp and overly soft and just gross. And no matter what I do they aren't defined. And i STILL have that awful frizz in between my curls and all over my canopy.

I feel like I've tried everything. I've researched on here ever since this happened. I've read about frizz with soaking wet hair, overconditioned hair, protein sensitive hair, hair with build up... nothing has helped. I've done a couple ACV rinses, tried proteining my hair with J-Pak...tried moisturizing my hair more...I even broke down and low pood my hair last night with TJ's shampoo. Nothing has helped or made a difference. I'm at my wit's end. My hair didn't even look this bad when I was not CG. and I've NEVER had problems with this in between the curls frizz. Also: Really weird but I've been using the same amount of product since I started CG and I would use enough that after my hair dried it would be semi crunchy so I would SOTC right?! Well, I put in the same amount that there's no crunch to scrunch out. How is that possible? Where the heck is my product going?

I've been using Sauve naturals pomegranite as my co-wash, Conditioning balm (salley's value one) as my rinse out and AOHR as my leave in... then I use Kinky curly custard and BRHG...

I have 2C hair with some 3A thrown hair is course.

Please ladies, help me! Sorry this is so long. is
my hair a few weeks before... is this

This is my hair now: hardly any curl and massive frizz in between

sleepyjess 05-16-2011 08:27 PM

Were there cones in your last sulfate shampoo? That messed me up when I first started.

jessiesmash 05-16-2011 08:52 PM

WOW! I am having the same EXACT problem from hair type to the amount of time I've been CG!!!!

Everything matches from the weird gel results to the limp yuckiness to everything and everything!!

I just looked and the shampoo i started with, Garnier Sleek & Shine Fortifying Shampoo, has Amodimethicone in it. I dont really want to put sulfates in my hair again but i am so desparate, I might as well try it even if it sets me back a few months (does anyone know if it will do this?? i dont really want to go back to square 1 by just using sulfates once)

Is there another way to get out the Amodimethicone without using a sulphate shampoo?

I hope we both find the solutioon to our problems!!

missy15344 05-16-2011 08:55 PM

I don't think so. I just used HE totally twisted shampoo...and my hair doesn't feel dirty or build up-y. Thanks for your reply tho! :wink:

missy15344 05-16-2011 09:01 PM

Jessie..I think Amodimethicone is a water-soluble cone...but I could be wrong. Is there anyway you could post a pic of your hair?

jessiesmash 05-16-2011 09:02 PM

Mine doesn't feel dirty or buildupy either, but I think with my "last sulfate shampoo ever" i accidentally put in some silicones too.

If u look at the ingredients for yours Clairol*Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curls and Waves Shampoo | Walgreens

It has dimethicone, which is a "big name" in silicones so maybe we have the same problem (if that is the problem)

EDIT: didn't see your other post.
According to this mine isn't soluble. I can't post a pic sry privacy worries lol

missy15344 05-16-2011 09:12 PM

OMG. You're totally right! What the hell!? I'm so angry! (Not at you, Jessie!) I just was certain I was doing everything right...and then an ugly little cone rears it's ugly head. grrrr! I am kinda confused with what is a "good vs. bad" cone then. I got my info from here
Girl with Curl: Curly Girl Method Approved Products

But I guess you're right. Yours is (according to this website) a slightly water soluble cone. And mine is bad either way you look at it.

jessiesmash 05-16-2011 09:15 PM

I'm going to try to pick up some low-poo with coco betaine in it so that I don't have to use sulfates... now which one to get without spending a lot of money hmm... mb i'll stop by TJ after work. i hope this fixes it!

I'm angry too cuz i also thought i was doin a good job!! LOL guess not

missy15344 05-16-2011 09:19 PM

I am using one of trader joe's low poo's. Well, I used it last night. But I don't know if low pooing our hair (even multiple times) will completely get rid of this. I guess I'll check the ingredients on the back and see if any of them are the cleaning agents recommended to get rid of them. I wonder if this is really our problem or just a coincidence?

jessiesmash 05-16-2011 09:21 PM

Maybe. but coco betaine is listed as a cleaner but i'm not sure if the TJ shampoos have it.

swtndspcy 05-16-2011 09:30 PM

Common misconception, the A-cone is water soluble when combined with certain ingredients in the BOTTLE only. Once applied to hair, it forms the 'cone film and is no longer water soluble. Though it is debated on whether or not it continues to build up on the hair after the film is formed, so it's considered a slightly soluble 'cone. I still use some products with the A-cone's low on the list, and use a low-poo once a week to remove them with no problem, though I do try to avoid them.
This article explains which 'cones are water soluble and which aren't. And what types of surfactants you need to remove them.
In general, I think staying completely 'cone free for a while after going CG is a good idea until you learn which ones are which and which will wash with low-poo or co-washes.

ETA: Don't worry about setbacks, I think we all have them. And I know a lot of mod CGers who routinely do sulfate poo's to clarify build up from products and hard water. Just make sure you do a DT if you sulfate wash. It shouldn't take too long to bounce back.

missy15344 05-16-2011 09:49 PM

argg! According to naturallycurly and another website, HE TT shampoo doesn't have that cone. So confused! I wonder which one is correct? Oh well. I threw away that bottle a long time ago. :(

sleepyjess 05-17-2011 03:11 PM

I agree with swtnspcy, I have to do a sulfate wash once a month to keep my hair from hard water build up, and my hair doesn't suffer too much, as long as I condition well afterward. (It's much better than the sulfate washes I was doing daily before CG, haha...)

Doing one sulfate wash just to get the last of the cones out will definitely help in the long run, and then you'll also have peace of mind that you got all the cones out.

Morgan_Adcock 05-18-2011 06:32 PM

I agree with your advice to the OP, but I don't agree that you need a sulfate poo in order to remove hard water deposits from your hair. EDTA, and other chelating agents will remove/prevent them, and the VO5 Herbal Escapes or Suave Naturals Conditioners contain EDTA. We have very hard water, and regularly washing my hair with one or the other has effectively prevented hard water buildup problems. (I haven't used a sulfate shampoo since July '08.)

sleepyjess 05-18-2011 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock (Post 1667593)
I agree with your advice to the OP, but I don't agree that you need a sulfate poo in order to remove hard water deposits from your hair. EDTA, and other chelating agents will remove/prevent them, and the VO5 Herbal Escapes or Suave Naturals Conditioners contain EDTA. We have very hard water, and I regularly washing my hair with one or the other has effectively prevented hard water buildup problems. (I haven't used a sulfate shampoo since July '08.)

Oooh, I didn't know those had EDTA. Thanks for mentioning it!

missy15344 05-22-2011 02:08 AM

Jessiesmash, how is your hair doing? Mine is the worst it's been....I added some pictures of my hair before and my current hair. I feel like I've tried everything with no results. My hair obviously doesn't like something I'm doing but I can't figure out what.

I am this close to just throwing in the towel and giving up CG. My hair didn't do this with cones. :(

kat180 05-22-2011 03:15 AM

I used to get in between frizz like that (I still get some and have learned to accept that it's just my natural hair) but I found using products with oil in helped a lot.

I expect you haven't found the right ingredients/combo thats works for you yet. It can take time.

I make FSG and add jojoba oil or hempseed oil to it and use a conditioner with oil and that has improved my curls so much.

bigredapmi 05-22-2011 04:28 AM

you're oc'd.

kathymack 05-22-2011 06:01 AM

At some point, your hair will get better. You just have to find out what works for you as far as technique and ingredients go. Many of the products, especially the mass produced, commercial ones, change the ingredients. Websites frequently have old ingredient lists. Sometimes the labels are wrong, too (Deva changed their ingredients and used old labels for a LONG time.) It can be hard to know.

My hair gets like that and it's not from over conditioning. It's from build up when I use gels that have chemicals in them--like polyquats. It takes a good lowpoo for me to get rid of the build up and back to normal.

The other culprit in this could be the Joico K-Pak. It contains mineral oil. For me, and many others, it's a BIG problem. Coats my hair and makes it look dry and greasy at the same time. It takes several lowpoos to remove it. The last time I made that mistake, it took a few lowpoos and 7-10 days for my hair to get back to normal.

Trixie 05-23-2011 07:46 AM

I agree with Kathymack about the mineral oil. It also takes me several washes to get it completely out of my hair. For me, it's much worse than any kind of silicone in terms of removal. I also am one who needs to clarify occasionally with a sulfate shampoo. I actually find that a sulfate shampoo can really put the spring back in my waves,

And like everyone has been saying, don't give up! It just takes time to figure out a routine and products that work for you!

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