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SeasideCurls 11-13-2012 10:46 AM

My Curls Are Dying? :(
I'm desperate for some help! My curls have seemed to transformed to this loose and limp mess. My hair is usually aroubd a 3b for curl type, but lately looks like a 2a. I only noticed it within the last few months.

Hair Care:
I was using Iso products for shampoo and conditioner, and about 6 months ago I switched to Morrocan Oil. Then about 2 months ago I started using DevaCurl conditioner.

I was using Iso Bouncy Curl Creme and Iso Tamer Foam (still love this product) to style. I would leave it wet and run Tamer Foam through, then scrunch it out with the bouncy curl. I tried using Morrocan Oil hydrating creme and curl definer, but was dissatisfied with the product. Then my hair designer got in the DevaCurl product line. After beginning to use the product is when it dawned on me my curls had gone limp!

Lastly, my hair had some trauma to it around the time I started using the Morrocan Oil hair styling products. I'm not sure if it was chemical or heat (from fire/oven/stove) but the ends of my hair were fried. I cried when my stylist had to cut back the locks I was trying so hard to grow out. I've noticed there is still some damage to the ends 3-4 months later.

So I can't figure out if I am over moisturizing my hair? Taking too good of care of it? Is it traumatized from whatever fried it?

My hair has always been curly and defiant with products (I could put anything on it and it would still curl). No product at all and it was everywhere. Sleep on it wet and I would have a kinky curly mess the next morning. Now if I do nothing it's barely wavy. When I try to scrunch it with the DevaCurl AnGel and BelieveIn, it gets about a 2b/2c curl while its wet, then falls into a sad fluffy 2a.

Help me please!

-Sad SeasideCurls

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poemaXX 11-13-2012 01:33 PM

Hm, there could be hormonal changes influencing your curl pattern.

Deva products have proteins in them, so my first guess isn't that you're overconditioned.

I'm very curious though: what kind of damage do you think you have? You mention chemical: do you color your hair? When you mention heat damage from the stove/other kitchen appliance, do you spend a lot of time in the kitchen? I've never really considered heat damage from anything other than hair appliances, but I imagine it could be possible...

SeasideCurls 11-13-2012 01:53 PM

I really hope it's not hormonal. I finally got to a place where I accept and love my curls.

I do use a flat iron occasionally, but I have used it more infrequently in the last year or two. It is a titanium steel by Babilys (sp?) and I use GoldWell's heat protectant and KMS moisture repair before I do.

The reason I don't know if it was chemical or heat is because of the location of the damage. The damage was not just the front around my face, but even in the back - which wouldn't be consistant with fire. The fire thought was from the barbecue, but I'm just not sure. I had purchased some Morrocan Oil off of Amazon and was trying their cream and mousse with any combination of their other products. My fear is that some combination I did caused a chemical reaction that melted my hair.

My stylist did warn me after I came crying to her that buying products off Amazon can be dangerous because they can be tampered with or very old. I do have concerns that the style cream had been tampered with, because the upc code had been cut out (which I didn't notice until after use and afer trauma).

I do dye my hair and have since I was about 15. Always with the same stylist who understands that curly hair is special. She always makes sure to moisturize it and won't let me change too often. It's always so soft for the next week or two. I have an appointment Thursday with her as well. So if there are any treatments I might ask her about or anyhing I'd love that.

I can post pictures of the difference tonight when I get home.

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Ericachristina 11-13-2012 03:33 PM

Well it sounds like it could be a few things. It could be the product you used in your hair, the repeated dying or the heat damage. Maybe you should lay off all of those things and see if your new growth grows in curlier than the damaged parts. If your new hair does grow in curly at the roots then it probably isn’t hormonal it is probably due to damage. If it doesn’t grow in like it use to then you could see a doctor and make sure everything is okay.

A while back I purchased one of those Babyliss flat irons from a salon and when I got home and tried it out on one small section of hair it burned my hair a bit so I took it back immediately. I don’t flat iron my hair much anymore but that flat iron definitely did not work for me.

jaclyn15 11-13-2012 03:54 PM

Have you ever considered the curly girl method (CG)? Here is a link for more info on that:

How to Follow the Curly Girl Method for Curly Hair: 15 steps

Moroccan Oil products are loaded with silicones, which can build up on the hair. That build up can definitely mess with your natural curl pattern, and it can also cause additional dryness/issues. Removing silicones and sulfates from my hair regime has helped enormously in the health and look of my hair... it's not for everyone, but I recommend looking into it if you're looking for a change.

I did not personally have luck with the DevaCurl products. There are several low and high end product lines that are CG/curl friendly. Many people have luck with Curl Junkie.


Knotty_Maddy 11-13-2012 04:20 PM

I don't know if sharing this will help you, but I will tell you what happened to me: I used a Garnier semi-permanent colour on my virgin hair, which pretty much dried it to a crisp...and then the following day, I had an accident with the vacuum cleaner ;p I was trying to get under my bed with it, and there was a clump of shed dog hair that it wasn't getting at...I leaned the vacuum cleaner back without shutting it off, and reached under the bed with my arm to grab the dog fur. The vacuum sucked up my hair, which is very long, and it got caught in the beater bar. :cry: I had the presence of mind to switch off the vacuum and get my hair out, but I was freaking!

The beater bar broke my hair - the top surface in the back - right along the whole back of my head. The following day, I was going to a big fancy ball and I had to try and straighten my hair to hide the damage under a low-bun hair do. So that fried my hair even more. I could actually hear my poor hair crackling under the first pass of my Babyliss straightening iron ;p

The result of all that led me here, and since I changed my products for protein free, doing DT's, and started using correct methods (I use supersoaker myself) my dry, broken hair is gradually remoisturizing - but it took me two months to fix it. The broken layer of hair has now taken to curling back in with my other clumps, so it is possible to regrow the damaged parts, and get them to curl in with the others, once your hair is in a healthier, more moisturized place...

Hth. You're not alone ;p

ETA: The Devacurl products worked well in my hair for about a week, then it made my hair fall out in dry clumps! I brought it back to the store, because even if it might be a great product and worked well for others, it just over-protein-ated my hair, I think.

Re-ETA- mine also was no longer curling much after all that naus, but I am now far more of
a 3A than a 2C - and I had slid into 2B when my hair was destroyed by all that ;p

SeasideCurls 11-13-2012 05:30 PM

Everyone here is so helpful! Thank you all for your responses, I'm finding it very encouraging.

I did not realize that the Morrocan Oil has silicone in it. That will be my first step. I did buy the Curly Girl hand book a few months back and started with the CG method, but I don't remember reading anything about some of the techniques in the link - that will be helpful.

I have also been avoiding my flat iron since this happened. I did it once after it fried in a desperate attempt to have it look decent, but like Knotty said, it just made it worse.

Which products are reccomended for putting the moisture back in? What are DT's? And what is the supersoaker method?

I will have to see if I can find the Curl Junkie and check it out too. I haven't been crazy about any of the DevaCurl other than the Believe-In serum. I love how silky and light it is.

My hair routine usually consists of washing Mon, Wed, Fri, with conditioner every day. I usually add a little more conditioner at the ends after I rinse it for extra moisutre. I did do the t-shirt for a while, but my hair was staying too wet (this plopping thing could help), so I started wrapping my hair in a towel and letting it sit for ~15 minutes, then while its damp scrunching in either Tamer Foam or BelieveIn and ArcAnGel. Then I just let it air dry.

Any other reccomendations for my routine?

Again, thank you all so much!

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Knotty_Maddy 11-13-2012 05:45 PM

:) Here is the techniques link - you can try any or all of them! lol!

Plopping works really, really well for my hair, which is similar I think to yours...
and DT is deep treatment :) PT is protein treatment. And usually when you give it a PT, you immediately follow with DT that is all moisture.

You seem a little more encouraged, I am glad!

ETA: I have learned from Kathymack and others here that our actual hair type (2C, 3A etc) has not got much to do with how we care for our curls...maybe you should look at your actual hair properties?
and here is a link to all the acronyms used here!

Knotty_Maddy 11-14-2012 02:54 AM

I absolutely can't get my PM response to work, so here is my answer to your question...

Hi :) I am sorry you have had trouble, i feel your pain! I have been using TiGi Urban Antidotes 2 and 3, (blue bottle and red bottle) and using Level 1 (green bottle) as a stripper/cleanser once a week (very stripping so more than once a week is a no-no) i use baking soda and apple cider vinegar mixed with water once a week, to totally clarify...after I do the BS/ACV treatment, right after that, I use yogourt/honey/mayo/olive oil as a Pt or Protein treatment. Leave that on for 15/30 mins, wrapped in a dishcloth and covered with a shower cap; then rinse; then follow up with a melted coconut oil treatment for moisture, dishcloth, shower cap for another 15. Then shampoo and rinse normally. I do this about once a week or once every other week, I let my hair tell me - when it droops and wilts, I give it the PT/DT and that helps a lot! :)

the supersoaker method helped me tons too. I think there are loads of products/methods out there you can try, you just need to be aware what is in them :) so go on product reviews, and put "protein free" in the check box filters on the left side of the page, then put a brand name in the top, and see what comes up. If there is an icon under the pic of the product with a red triangle with a red ball in each corner, then it is protein free. If you hover your mouse over the icons under the product, it will come up with little boxes that say things like "protein free" or "humectant free" (this is also a good thing to get during winter...humectants draw either moisture or dryness from the air around you, and either remove them from your hair,if the air is dry, or add the moisture from the air into you hair, if conditions are moist) no humectants products are good for winter. I am afraid you will have to experiment because every person's hair reacts differently to different products... hope this helps, and good luck!

PS PLEASE be aware that what works for me, may not work for you! Also, I use tons of leave in (TiGi curlesque LI) followed by Tigi Foxy curls curl defining spray...then super soak: - brush with Denman after LI and Foxy, then soak with water...then use TiGi Curlesque Curling creme, then top with gel (aussie Instant Freeze). Then wet plop for 5 mins, then scrunch with fresh t-shirt for a few minutes, then re-plop in third fresh, dry t for another ten minutes. This works for me but I cannot, cannot swear it will work for you! Plus, I let my curls from over the ears down dry naturally, I only blow-dry the roots. You will have to do a fair bit of experimentation on products/techniques for yourself. You have to find what works for your hair. Also, the products I use are filled with silicones and will not be good for you if you are doing CG method, or co-washing with conditioner. Just thought I would give you fair warning ;p good luck!

SeasideCurls 11-14-2012 11:08 AM

Thank you for the suggestions, tips, and warnings. I spent quite a bit of time looking at products last night and was surprised how readily available a lot of it is. I'm excited and hopeful.

I was also pleasantly surprised when taking pictures of my hair last night that the underside of my hair still had its curl! I did the CG method today, and tried the plopping. My hair is holding more curl than it has for a few months, so very promising. It does have the halo of frizz to it, so I'm assuming you are all very right in that my hair needs more moisture.

I'm very excited to have found this forum. Thank you all for your help. I will hopefully have happy curls in the next month or so. :)

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Knotty_Maddy 11-14-2012 02:14 PM

Seasidecurls, that is awesome! I am glad you are finding your way around and feeling encouraged :)

I have a question for you - when you get your hair coloured, does your stylist paint it on in straight lengths with a brush? I seem to recall seeing something here about that being a no-no for curlies, because it can temporarily remove curl - have a look yet in the colouring forum? Coloring your hair - CurlTalk
You might find a lot of good tips and help in there too :)

SeasideCurls 11-14-2012 04:14 PM

Hmm... When I get it high lighted I believe she does before she twists it up in the foil. Normally I do a colorance (sp?) and she uses a wide tooth comb and her hands to scrunch it in.

But I will have to look into the straightening. It makes since that such harsh chemicals would damage the curl if you left it on straightened hair.

Such good information.

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