CG nightmare

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Okay, I have searched high and low for a thread like this before but haven't been able to find one. I hope I am in the right place.

I started the curly girl method because my hair, which used to be lovely 2C or at times closer to 3A curls started to decline into a flat, dry disaster. I heard a lot about how CG was a lifesaver.

So I have been following the CG method for about five weeks now.
It is a mess. I can't say it hasn't brought back my curls, it somewhat has. The problem is that my hair at any given time has parts that are 2A, 2B, and 2C. Some parts have gone completely straight.

It is somehow frizzy/fluffy and greasy at the same time.

I am not using ANY sulfates or silicones. I double checked. I'm drying with a microfiber towel and not brushing.

Am I doing something wrong? Is this method not for me?
What are you using and what are your hair properties? This was me when I first started, then I discovered that I needed even more moisturizing products. And leave in. So, what's your products?
Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.

"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
I am using Yes to Carrots conditioner, Freeman Papaya and Lime conditioner, Bioterra Curl Creme and Herbal Essences totally twisted mousse. I was cowashing with Suave naturals for a while but it made my hair so greasy.
Even using the curl creme or mousse makes my hair look totally dirty so I have really been using minuscule amounts of both.
What are your hair properties? Type is irrelevant. Need to know texture, density, and porosity to be able to help.
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

Knowing your hair's properties (besides curl pattern) is the most important step to figuring out how to treat your hair. This website has a good intro: Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics

Have you been using any shampoos or low poos, or only conditioner washing? Besides silicones, I also have to avoid polyquats. They cannot be washed out of my hair with co-washing. They act in a similar way to silicones and can cause buildup. Some people have no issues with them, but I do. They make my hair greasy, flat, weighed down and frizzy (typical symptoms of buildup). The Herbal Essences mousse you are using has polyquaternium-4, a polyquat. This could be a contributing factor.

Also, depending on your hair's porosity and texture, the Freeman conditioner could be too oil-heavy for you. I have fine, medium to low porosity hair, and I started out using a conditioner that was very oil-heavy. My hair was weighed down and it was hard for me to wash all the conditioner out. I stopped using that conditioner and saw improvements in a few days.

I would recommend you clarify and try cutting out the polyquat in the mousse first. To clarify, use any sulfate shampoo that is free of silicones (and in this case, polyquats). When I clarify, I like to water down the shampoo in a cup first. Making it a little more liquidy makes it easier to distribute around my scalp and hair, without using a lot of the shampoo. I think it's a little less drying.

I know this is an overwhelming process and it's easy to feel overloaded by the information, but stick with it! If you can figure out your hair's properties, it'll be a lot easier to figure out the rest.
2b/c, high density
fine, medium porosity, normal elasticity
loves protein, hates polyquats
still searching for HGs
What are your hair properties? Type is irrelevant. Need to know texture, density, and porosity to be able to help.
Originally Posted by lcl0706
You beat me to it!!
2b/c, high density
fine, medium porosity, normal elasticity
loves protein, hates polyquats
still searching for HGs
Medium texture, normal porosity, high density.
Almost sounds to me like you're using a conditioner that's too heavy. Usually suave conditioners are not moisturizing enough, so it shouldn't make your hair greasy. And you might have to be mod-CG and use a mild shampoo that has no sulfates and silicones.
Yes to carrots OR Freeman...not both...
3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)

"To much is given, much is expected"
I disagree about curl type being irrelevant. 2s generally need to low poo more often than curlies, and may not need all the heavy moisture.

My hair is the same as yours, and it is getting slowly better. I did cave and sent in my hair for analysis to see what they recommend.

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2c, some straight pieces on canopy, curlier underneath. Fine, thin, unsure on porosity - sent in my sample and waiting to hear back. Products - have a bunch I am trying out, CJ, Deva, SM Yucca, TJ.
Probably not the method but the products. Don't give up yet because you may have to do some experimenting. You can try to keep it all drugstore and cheap though. Having medium properties doesn't mean your hair will like everything although it might mean your hair is less picky than those with coarse or fine hair so there's a bright side. Try to consider the weather too. Check out the frizz forecast for your ratio of humectants and emollients. And yes I agree that while properties are very important curl type matters too and it might help to throw in a low poo if your hair is getting weighed down from the cowashing and styling. I low poo once a week but I do it with Shea Moisture which is very gentle. (I have very dry hair so that's my balancing act.)
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Been natural for over a year and it took almost 5 months before I was OK with my hair. It was funny too because when I was around 5 weeks in, I wrote a thread here too and all these curly girls were like 'you're only a month in you need to be more patient' and blah blah blah. And at first I thought it was kind of rude, but now I somewhat see there point. I think it literally takes a few months before you see results that you want. I think it all is a matter to your hair adjusting to being completely, 100% natural. Think about how long your hair has been 'damaged' [ i am assuming you've straightened a lot before you went natural] and how now you have completely eliminated all of that. Thus, you must look at the ratio of how long you weren't natural vs. how long you are natural.

Like I said, I've been natural for a year now and still have issues. It can possibly be a product issue and like everyone is saying, it's not so much the curl pattern more so of the density and porosity (which I still don't even know for myself haha). But this website saved my life with info so listen to these girlies! lol
CG, High Porosity, Fine, Low Density, Medium Elasticity
Suave, V05, GF Go clean gel, ACV rinses, CO, and Gelatine PT.
You have some good advice here but it's worth bearing in mind that cg doesn't work for everyone and a lot of people here are modified cg in some way or another. My hair doesn't have the same properties as yours however did behave like yours when I was co-washing - greasy looking and fluffy/undefined at the same time. I went back to low poo-ing and my hair was much happier for it. I even sulphate poo on occasion with no ill effects.
3b in South Australia.

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