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Myrna 05-20-2013 05:51 AM

IS there a gel - OR a mousse - without
protein, polyquats or glycerin? other than making flaxseed gel? If I could get it on the ground I would, but I dont really want to be cooking up hair products :sad10:...

greencup13 05-20-2013 10:41 AM

Bump. Also curious.

chloe92us 05-20-2013 11:21 AM

A few that come to mind are:

LA Looks Power Spikes
Kinky Curly curling custard
Curl junkie pattern pusha

But please double-check since I'm not sure about the polyquats (don't ever look for that)

Hootenanny 05-20-2013 11:22 AM

If you consider KCCC a gel, then it doesn't have any of those things.

LA Looks Power Spikes has some strange ingredients, but I don't *think* it has any of these things.

ETA: Chloe beat me by a minute! Lol! :)

chloe92us 05-20-2013 11:33 AM

One more after searching on curlmart:

Jessicurl Confident Coils

Water (Aqua), Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, VP/VA Copolymer, Polyimide-1, C 12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Cetearyl Alcohol (and) Polysorbate 60; Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Dehydroxanthan Gum, Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salt), Diazolidinyl Urea (and) Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate

Jas76 05-20-2013 12:31 PM

This polyquats build up issue... Can they not be removed with low-poo?

Myrna, I'm soon going to try a super clarifying treatment from Sally's that some claim has worked miracles for them - I'll let you know if it does for me! Perhaps you could benefit of your hair has not been behaving lately??

Oh! And I THINK all of the Jessicurl stuff is polyquat free? The Rockin Ringlets gel is basically FSG.

New_to_Curlz 05-20-2013 02:24 PM

How do you know if its a polyquat?
Volumax mega hold doesn't have any ingredients the say polyquat

Lauraimes 05-20-2013 03:14 PM

LA Looks Power Spikes - [see Chloe's comment below]

KCCC - No protein, no polyquats, no glycerin.

Curl Junkie Pattern Pusha - No protein, no polyquats, no glycerin. Many people compare KCCC to CJ PP.

Jessicurl Rockin' Ringlets - No protein, no polyquats, but it contains glycerin.

With regards to Jessicurl, Jas is right: they don't contain any polyquats. However, I would avoid the Awe Inspiraling Spray (glycerin) and the Gelebration Spray (glycerin). You could use Confident Coils Styling Solution, though.

Jas, polyquats are tough to remove with just a low-poo. I'm sensitive to them but they're in my gel (I'm using it until I finished the bottle, which will take max two months, pfew! Unless I get addicted to FSG...), so I have to use a sulfate poo more often than I'd like too. I wash my hair only once a week so that doesn't help, either.

New_to_Curlz, you can recognise polyquats by simply looking for something called "Polyquat(s)" or "Polyquaternium," usually followed by a number. I'm not sure what gel you mean, but when I look for the gel you mention, I get something called Volumax Styling Gel and the second ingredient is "Polyquaternium-4" so it does contain polyquats.


chloe92us 05-20-2013 03:17 PM

These are the ingredients from for the la looks power spikes- I don't see protein in here....maybe there was a formula change?

Water (Aqua), PVP, Sorbitol, Carbomer, Phenoxyethanol, PEG 40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, PPG 5 Ceteth 20, Aminomethyl Propanol, Methylparaben, Propylene Glycol, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Disodium EDTA, Methylisothiazolinone, Fragrance, Yellow 5, Green 5

Lauraimes 05-20-2013 03:21 PM

Oh that might very well be the case, Chloe. I found it in a topic because the search function was failing me, and it was posted in 2011. Thanks for the heads up. I never really know what drugstores to look for because I don't live in the US and don't have access to many products. I'm sure about KCCC and CJ PP though because I'm thinking about trying one of those myself, so I studied them.

Myrna 05-20-2013 03:46 PM

Thanks, Curlfriends, keep those suggestions coming. I need something to use on top of CK. Today I used a Giovanni gel, and my hair came out great. but, its a low humidity day. Jas, I tried the Rockin Ringlets years ago but that was before my current routine and CG. It may be worth trying again. Yes.

chloe92us 05-20-2013 03:48 PM

The jessicurl confident coils stuff fits the bill too....I added the ingredients to my previous post, straight from the JC website. It's the Rockin ringlets that has glycerin.

New_to_Curlz 05-20-2013 03:55 PM

Thank you Lauraimes! That is what I thought I should look for but I didn't know if polyquats had any other names.

The gel I referred to is Volumax Mega Hold Gel from Sally's. It is different than the regular one that is in the product list on this site.
The ingredients are:
Water/Aqua/Eau, Polyacrylate-2 Crosspolymer, Aminomethyl Propanol, Ceteth-20, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein PG-Propyl Silanetriol, Laureth-12, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, DMDM Hydantoin, Benzyl Benzoate, Limonene, Benzyl Salicylate, Fragrance/Parfum

I chose it because it had no glycerin and had some protein in it. I really like it.

chloe92us 05-20-2013 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Myrna (Post 2172059)
Thanks, Curlfriends, keep those suggestions coming. I need something to use on top of CK. Today I used a Giovanni gel, and my hair came out great. but, its a low humidity day. Jas, I tried the Rockin Ringlets years ago but that was before my current routine and CG. It may be worth trying again. Yes.

Myrna, since CK has polyquats and glycerin, why you would need to eliminate those ingredients in a gel that you'll be using over it? To get the full effect of eliminating them, you would want to completely stop using all three for a week or so to see if your hair improves.

I have been avoiding glycerin in my styling products for the last month and have had awesome hair. Today, I decided to use Curl Keeper to see if I could use it (CK is my mid dew fave!). My experiment was confirmed- dews were in the 70s today and I had major frizz. No more glycerin in high dews for me!

Myrna 05-20-2013 06:55 PM

Good point, Chloe. I dont have an answer...CK works good for me most of the time, but you're right about the glycerin, and I see now that it has a polyquat as the last ingredient. I may have to get a sample of the Jessicurls confident coils.

morganrc 05-20-2013 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by Jas76 (Post 2171981)
This polyquats build up issue... Can they not be removed with low-poo? .

I never have a problem with them. I see them in things I use all the time and I don't even honestly remember the last time I needed (or did for that matter) used a low poo. I'm pretty sure polyquats are supposedly conditioning agents, and I have personally never had them act as anything else. Maybe they are just too heavy for some people? I'm not sure what the issue is, but it does strike my curiosity too!

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Jas76 05-21-2013 12:13 AM

So will coco-betaine not remove polyquats? It has to be a sulfate? What about EDTA?

I posted about LAPS awhile back - I'd always been told it was protein heavy, but my bottle doesn't list even one! LALS is higher - it has two, but even they aren't hydrogenated.

Myrna, LALPS might be a good one to try. And it's dirt cheap!

Lauraimes 05-21-2013 01:11 AM

Well, here's the thing: according to the CurlChemist, polyquats don't cause build-up or any other troubles for curlies. However, some people, like kathymack, experience build-up that is very difficult to remove with a gentle shampoo. I'm one of these people. Basically I get massive build-up from polyquats which leaves my hair feeling weirdly coated. If I have used polyquats and my hair is wet, I can see frizz (and I am not frizz-prone at all). The only solution is using more agressive surfactants than I would like.

Kathymack is much better at explaining all this.

Myrna 05-21-2013 05:53 AM

yes, I have read Kathy's issues with polyquats so I decided to investigate...I am not sure that is the issue with my hair. I think the larger issues are that I cant handle a lot of glycerin, and probably not protein either with my hair being coarse and low porosity. Jas, I have LALSG, and it has protein and glycerin; what about the PS?

sheilacurl 05-21-2013 06:06 AM

A couple of other ingredients in Curlkeeper that I was curious about and found out this:

propylene glycol: "is able to lower the melting point of water, and so it is used as aircraft de-icing fluid. It is similarly used as automotive antifreeze."

DMDM Hydantoin: "A preservative that contains formaldehyde."

Gah! Who knew?

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