Ouidad No Time for Tears Shampoo

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I needed to use a sulfate shampoo and thought a kids' shampoo may be more gentle. Unfortunately, I think it was very drying...at least I think that's what's going on with my hair. Ingredients experts-can you take a look at the cleansing ingredients and tell me if they're actually stronger than typical sulfates? That will at least put my mind at ease that my hair simply needs to recover. Thank you!

Water (Aqua), PEG-80 Sorbitan Laurate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Trideceth Sulfate, PEG-150 Distearate, Polyquaternium-10, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Wheat Amino Acids, PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Trideceth-9, Fragrance (Parfum), Quaternium-15, Tetrasodium EDTA, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone

Last edited by DCWavyLady; 03-12-2014 at 11:54 AM.
I had the same thing with the Shea Moisture baby washes, extremely drying - even to the skin. Firefox mentioned that they might be more alkaline. So I'm assuming the pH is different than "normal" products, and that's what makes them no tears.
2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density

NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
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I actually looked at the Burt's Bees Baby Shampoo and I looked up all the ingredients. They only used mild surfactants, but I had seen all of them in normal low poos before. The difference is in the pH, as sixelamy just said.

This is what Geek_Chic said about that on my thread:

Laura, something to think about when choosing a baby shampoo over one formulated for adults.... If it's marketed as tear-free, the pH has been altered to make it easy on the eyes /ocular mucosa. Tears (the non-stress sort) have a pH of 7, but human hair is happy in more of a 4.5 - 5.5 range. I've by no means made a survey of adult shampoo pH, but Natural Haven blog has a pH page. While the soap based shampoos have significantly higher pH, most regular commercial shampoos there have pH in the 5-6 range.
This is Geek_Chic's experience with a baby poo vs. low poo:

Happy to help, Laura. I didn't know that either starting out, and always thought of baby shampoos as "gentle". Anyway, I can't speak to your hair, but I have tried a sulfate free baby head to toe shampoo before (Disney Baby Daily Renewals Naturals Winnie the Pooh) when I ran out of my regular low poo. Wow, it left my hair feeling more stripped and tangled than a clarifying sulfate shampoo. My hair did feel ok again after a good moisturizing conditioner, but I stick to adult shampoos now.
However, wavydaze commented as well and had a different experience:

I've thought about mentioning this, but from some of my previous research, I have not found that many shampoos are in the 5-6 range. In fact most were around 7. So what I'm trying to say is that it's not a guarantee that the Very Volumizing shampoo is actually going to be at a lower pH than the Baby one.

Though if you're interested Laura, I have emailed companies before to ask about the pH of their products.

From my experience, I have not found problems with hair products (especially shampoo) in the pH 7 range, though I try to stay away from anything higher than pH 7 so I don't use any soap-based hair products. Though I would prefer all my products to be at the hair/skin friendly pH, sometimes it's a tradeoff between gentleness of formulation and pH. In most cases would pick something gentler with a pH of 7 than something stronger with a pH of 5, but this can depend.

Also when companies say "pH balanced" that does not necessarily mean "hair/skin friendly pH of 4.5-5.5." That often means pH 7 which is "neutral" on the scale but not "neutral for the skin." Hope this helps.
You can find the entire thread here: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ts-bees-2.html

Hope this helps!
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Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Petal Fresh Organics Rosemary & Mint Volumizing Shampoo
Protein: Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Detangler/RO: KCKT (winter) or Curl Junkie Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil (summer)
Styling: KCCC

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Thank you both so much! You've confirmed that I'm not crazy. It seemed to strip my hair so much more than a sulfate shampoo but I thought it was in my head. Now I know I just need to wait...a few more no or low poos with my gvp conditioning balm and my hair should be back to normal. Thank you!!!! I'm going ton post it for free to someone who wants to try it on their curly kid.
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