Atoya's Curly Hair Course - highly recommended!

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Last week I first heard about this online course, so I checked out the stylist who made it and fell in love with her work! I would love to go see her, but she's in Portland which is no where near me and I'll probably never get out there. So I decided to spend the money to take her course. I'm so happy I did! I made a few tweaks to my routine, and my hair is coming out great every day! I have more volume (which I'm always lacking), and my hair is curlier, and I'm getting consistent results.

If you're new and confused by all this, or even if you've been doing this for a while and aren't getting the results you want, then you should think about taking this course. It's just the standard Curly Girl method so all the info is out there for free, but there's also a lot of misinformation out there, and it's hard to figure out what's good and what's not good, and it's hard to put together a full routine that's right for you. Atoya does it all for you!

I'm not affiliated, just a happy customer wanting to share.

The Curly Hair Studio
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Last week I first heard about this online course, so I checked out the stylist who made it and fell in love with her work! I would love to go see her, but she's in Portland which is no where near me and I'll probably never get out there. So I decided to spend the money to take her course. I'm so happy I did! I made a few tweaks to my routine, and my hair is coming out great every day! I have more volume (which I'm always lacking), and my hair is curlier, and I'm getting consistent results.

If you're new and confused by all this, or even if you've been doing this for a while and aren't getting the results you want, then you should think about taking this course. It's just the standard Curly Girl method so all the info is out there for free, but there's also a lot of misinformation out there, and it's hard to figure out what's good and what's not good, and it's hard to put together a full routine that's right for you. Atoya does it all for you!

I'm not affiliated, just a happy customer wanting to share.

The Curly Hair Studio
Originally Posted by janiegirl
What does it entail?
You get a whole new section of her website. Each step gets its own page with written instructions and information. Then each page has a video showing the technique. And there are additional videos to download. She's tried to get models with different hair types for each step so you can see how it works for different hair. Then there's a video showing the whole routine, one video for each hair type. Plus an in-shower video showing her own routine. Questions and answers work as comments below each page. Once you've finished the course there's a facebook group to join. I've sent a friend request but no response yet, so I haven't been there yet.

All the videos get right to the point. I'm not a big fan of youtube because there's always so much blah blah blah to start with. I don't want to hear you talk for 10 minutes, I just want to see the technique! Atoya doesn't do that. She'll give you the info you need without a lot of hair flipping and preening for the camera.

She makes it seem so easy and straightforward. Trying all these different techniques and products and it seems like nothing works, so trying more stuff...it's gotten really complicated for me. Even the CG book made it seem more complicated than this. So I've pared down my routine and products, gotten back to basics, and I'm getting really good results.
You get a whole new section of her website. Each step gets its own page with written instructions and information. Then each page has a video showing the technique. And there are additional videos to download. She's tried to get models with different hair types for each step so you can see how it works for different hair. Then there's a video showing the whole routine, one video for each hair type. Plus an in-shower video showing her own routine. Questions and answers work as comments below each page. Once you've finished the course there's a facebook group to join. I've sent a friend request but no response yet, so I haven't been there yet.

All the videos get right to the point. I'm not a big fan of youtube because there's always so much blah blah blah to start with. I don't want to hear you talk for 10 minutes, I just want to see the technique! Atoya doesn't do that. She'll give you the info you need without a lot of hair flipping and preening for the camera.

She makes it seem so easy and straightforward. Trying all these different techniques and products and it seems like nothing works, so trying more stuff...it's gotten really complicated for me. Even the CG book made it seem more complicated than this. So I've pared down my routine and products, gotten back to basics, and I'm getting really good results.
Originally Posted by janiegirl
It would be worth it if you are able to get good support and ask her questions about your concerns and product recommendations for your hair.
She's not a product or ingredient expert from what I can see. She prefers the original Deva products - low or no poo, one conditioner, and ultra defining gel. Plus for wavys (and she's a wavy too), she recommends a texture spray. You won't get the kind of product support you get from your hair analysis person.
She's not a product or ingredient expert from what I can see. She prefers the original Deva products - low or no poo, one conditioner, and ultra defining gel. Plus for wavys (and she's a wavy too), she recommends a texture spray. You won't get the kind of product support you get from your hair analysis person.
Originally Posted by janiegirl
I prefer Deva Delight low poo and and I like ultra defining gel myself.

I've been wanting to try a texture spray but confused on which one to try. Was thinking sea salt spray but heard it's not good.
I finally got into the facebook group and asked about texture sprays. Atoya says she hasn't found a silicone free one. She just uses whatever and then uses the Build up Buster every couple weeks. In her video she was using a Kevin Murphy spray. I stopped at the salon yesterday to read the ingredients and it has cones. Someone else mentioned a Kenra spray (will have cones I'm sure), and one other person said Matrix Rough Me Up is cone free. I might try either the Matrix one or the John Masters one mentioned in the other thread.
Hi Janiegirl,

I'm getting curious about this. So, does Atoya teach and recommend the LOC method and that is what this course is? Or is it something else? Does she allow air-drying?

Do you use the Deva products or are you using her techniques with other products? What products are you currently using?

You said upthread that Atoya like Deva Low/No-poo, One conditioner, and Ultra-Defining Gel. Isn't the Ultra Defining Gel one of their harder hold gels? I think the one time I got a Deva haircut, she used some Spray gel thing and it was plenty holding.
Summer: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing - Citrus Mint Shampoo and Conditioner
Winter: Alaffia Coconut & Shea Daily Hydrating - Lavender Coconut Shampoo and Conditioner

Fine, 2c, low porosity hair that I color using the 2-step henndigo with amla

Looking for styling products and tools

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This is supposed to be 'cone free:

Living Proof | Style Lab Texture Mist | Free Shipping

I've never used it so I can't vouch for it.
2b, 2c,
High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
To be honest, I'm not even sure what the LOC method is. Leave in, oil, cream? No, she doesn't do that. Leave in and gel is what she recommends. And not really much about leave in - I think she just doesn't fully rinse out the conditioner. I kind of skipped through most of the info on coarse, super curly/kinky hair, so maybe she has other recommendations for them. The Curly Girl method is what she teaches. It's pretty much exactly like the book, but she goes more in depth with it.

Air drying, or diffusing, or clipping, or any combination. She has videos for the clipping and diffusing.

I have not stuck exclusively to Deva products. This morning is the first time in several weeks I went back to UDG. It just hasn't been working for me. For cleansing, I alternate between Deva low poo, Aveda Rosemary and Mint, and Deva Build Up Buster. Conditioners - I love Deva One, but this morning I needed protein, so I used almost the last of my Aubrey Organics GBP. Gel today is UDG, last wash day it was LA Looks. I've also been using Miss Jessie's Jelly Soft, Jessicurl Spiralicious, KCCC. For refreshing I've been using Briogeo Rosarco moisture milk.

UDG is supposed to be their hardest hold gel. Or maybe it's the AnGel that's hard. I haven't tried that one. Most people seem to like one or the other, but not both. Personally, I find UDG is not very hard hold. My hair is so soft and limp, I really need some oomph in my gel. Atoya teaches and recommends the Deva products because it's the only line that will work for the majority of people. But she herself is not an exclusive Deva user, and I think she uses and sells other brands at her salon.

For the most part, she's teaching techniques. Everyone wants product recommendations, so Deva is what she recommends. But mostly it's about techniques.
Last week I first heard about this online course, so I checked out the stylist who made it and fell in love with her work! I would love to go see her, but she's in Portland which is no where near me and I'll probably never get out there. So I decided to spend the money to take her course. I'm so happy I did! I made a few tweaks to my routine, and my hair is coming out great every day! I have more volume (which I'm always lacking), and my hair is curlier, and I'm getting consistent results.

If you're new and confused by all this, or even if you've been doing this for a while and aren't getting the results you want, then you should think about taking this course. It's just the standard Curly Girl method so all the info is out there for free, but there's also a lot of misinformation out there, and it's hard to figure out what's good and what's not good, and it's hard to put together a full routine that's right for you. Atoya does it all for you!

I'm not affiliated, just a happy customer wanting to share.

The Curly Hair Studio
Originally Posted by janiegirl
How much was the course?
2b, 2c,
High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
Last week I first heard about this online course, so I checked out the stylist who made it and fell in love with her work! I would love to go see her, but she's in Portland which is no where near me and I'll probably never get out there. So I decided to spend the money to take her course. I'm so happy I did! I made a few tweaks to my routine, and my hair is coming out great every day! I have more volume (which I'm always lacking), and my hair is curlier, and I'm getting consistent results.

If you're new and confused by all this, or even if you've been doing this for a while and aren't getting the results you want, then you should think about taking this course. It's just the standard Curly Girl method so all the info is out there for free, but there's also a lot of misinformation out there, and it's hard to figure out what's good and what's not good, and it's hard to put together a full routine that's right for you. Atoya does it all for you!

I'm not affiliated, just a happy customer wanting to share.

The Curly Hair Studio
Originally Posted by janiegirl
How much was the course?
Originally Posted by WavyKfromNJ
Yea products are important but I think technique is more important. The problem with Deva products is most contain protein. What can easily happen is you can get protein over load when you use the line of products on a regular basis. For instance the Deva Delight poo and conditioner both contain protein. Plus if you're using UDG in addition that contains protein. My hair likes protein but I can't use the line in conjunction with each other because my hair will get too much protein. Also from doing some research silicones aren't bad.
Janiegirl, Arcangel is their hardest hold gel. I asked the company and that is what I was told. Sure is misleading, isnt it?? One would think "Ultra defining" would be the hardest hold gel.

I like the UD gel - love how my hair "grabs" it when wet - but it does not hold through the day. I may try the Arcangel, although I recall trying that when I first went to Deva products ...however that was t hen and this is now and my hair has changed...I have a big bottle of UD gel and wish it would work better for me even if I have to add something to make it work. BTW, adding the foam does not help.
WavyK, I think it's $99, and I feel like it was worth it for me. It may or may not be worth it for others.

Myrna, that's what Deva says, but from anecdotal evidence, a lot of people say the UDG is a harder hold gel. I've found that Deva doesn't really explain their products very well. They have stuff I'm just not sure what it's for because their descriptions are so poor. Have you tried cocktailing the UDG with a super high-hold gel? I've never tried it myself, but if it worked, you could use up the bottle you have.

Macher, Yep, I went through the protein overload with the Delight stuff. Then I finally used it all up, and now my hair needs more protein. I wish I could find products that would give me just enough, but not too much. In the meantime, I'm using gelatin treatments once a week.

Last edited by janiegirl; 07-08-2017 at 07:56 AM.
Deva's customer service really sucks, plain and simple. One would think they would do a better job.

I have not tried the UD gel over FSG. I may try that, as I always have FSG on hand.
WavyK, I think it's $99, and I feel like it was worth it for me. It may or may not be worth it for others.

...

Macher, Yep, I went through the protein overload with the Delight stuff. Then I finally used it all up, and now my hair needs more protein. I wish I could find products that would give me just enough, but not too much. In the meantime, I'm using gelatin treatments once a week.
Originally Posted by janiegirl
Thanks for the info.

I am a big fan of the Colorful Neutral Protein Filler. You can add a few drop to you products before you apply them or just mix with with some water and spray it all over.
2b, 2c,
High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
I dont have color treated hair any more, how do you use the Colorful Neutral Protein Filler??
I dont have color treated hair any more, how do you use the Colorful Neutral Protein Filler??
Originally Posted by Myrna
I don't color my hair either.

Usually I will just dilute some in a spray bottle and just spray my hair. I don't remember the exact ratio of product to water. It has been awhile since I have done it. But I just ordered more because I really need it.

I found this thread about using it:
https://www.naturallycurly.com/curlt...ce-needed.html

I usually get it at Sally Beauty, but I think you can get it from Amazon
2b, 2c,
High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
To be honest, I'm not even sure what the LOC method is. Leave in, oil, cream? No, she doesn't do that. Leave in and gel is what she recommends. And not really much about leave in - I think she just doesn't fully rinse out the conditioner. I kind of skipped through most of the info on coarse, super curly/kinky hair, so maybe she has other recommendations for them. The Curly Girl method is what she teaches. It's pretty much exactly like the book, but she goes more in depth with it.

Air drying, or diffusing, or clipping, or any combination. She has videos for the clipping and diffusing.

I have not stuck exclusively to Deva products. This morning is the first time in several weeks I went back to UDG. It just hasn't been working for me. For cleansing, I alternate between Deva low poo, Aveda Rosemary and Mint, and Deva Build Up Buster. Conditioners - I love Deva One, but this morning I needed protein, so I used almost the last of my Aubrey Organics GBP. Gel today is UDG, last wash day it was LA Looks. I've also been using Miss Jessie's Jelly Soft, Jessicurl Spiralicious, KCCC. For refreshing I've been using Briogeo Rosarco moisture milk.

UDG is supposed to be their hardest hold gel. Or maybe it's the AnGel that's hard. I haven't tried that one. Most people seem to like one or the other, but not both. Personally, I find UDG is not very hard hold. My hair is so soft and limp, I really need some oomph in my gel. Atoya teaches and recommends the Deva products because it's the only line that will work for the majority of people. But she herself is not an exclusive Deva user, and I think she uses and sells other brands at her salon.

For the most part, she's teaching techniques. Everyone wants product recommendations, so Deva is what she recommends. But mostly it's about techniques.
Originally Posted by janiegirl
Thank you for this (and other) information about the course. It is very helpful. I might try it in the future. Or if she opens up to new clients I might go get a haircut from her.
Summer: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing - Citrus Mint Shampoo and Conditioner
Winter: Alaffia Coconut & Shea Daily Hydrating - Lavender Coconut Shampoo and Conditioner

Fine, 2c, low porosity hair that I color using the 2-step henndigo with amla

Looking for styling products and tools

iHerb Code KQS149 for 5% off your order
I dont have color treated hair any more, how do you use the Colorful Neutral Protein Filler??
Originally Posted by Myrna
I don't color my hair either.

Usually I will just dilute some in a spray bottle and just spray my hair. I don't remember the exact ratio of product to water. It has been awhile since I have done it. But I just ordered more because I really need it.

I found this thread about using it:
https://www.naturallycurly.com/curlt...ce-needed.html

I usually get it at Sally Beauty, but I think you can get it from Amazon
Originally Posted by WavyKfromNJ
I use NPF too from Sally's and I don't color my hair. I don't use it regularly only when I need a shot of protein.

What I do is put about 5 drops in my 8 oz spritz bottle then add literally a drop of GVP Conditioning Balm. Wendy from Gooseprints recommends no more than 3/4 of a teaspoon / 8 oz. Shake the bottle really good. Then I spritz my hair really good to about 40% wet then then scrunch it in then let it air dry. That's enough to notice a difference.

Last edited by macher; 07-09-2017 at 02:50 AM.

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