Yes, You Do Need Protein

Just wanted to add, that I could have second day hair today that would have satisfied me! A first. Don't know if it was the protein treatment of the over use of product yesterday. I awoke with no frizz and pretty perfect corkscrews. It's also raining, so that could contribute, too. Unfortunately, I used too much WSP yesterday and my hair was producty--so I need to rinse some of it out and start over.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
This is a random question for anyone: I'm not allergic, but if you read the label, the AO GPB has oyster shell by-product in it. This really might be stupid, but does that mean those with shellfish allergies should take caution? Again, I'm sorry if this is stupid, but I was reminded of this random thought when AO GPB was mentioned...
I guess I would tell anyone with a shellfish allergy to be cautious. Here is my take on how shellfish allergies relate to me as a nurse. So iodine contrast is used in Cat scans. When people get CT's one of the questions is do you have a shellfish allergy? Because shellfish contain iodine, people with allergies to shellfish can have allergic reactions to CT contrast media because of the iodine. But some people while they cannot have injected iodine, they can use it on their skin topically such as betadine solution which also contains iodine.
Some people with shellfish allergies may be able to use the condish because it is not ingested only used topically. But I am not sure that I would be willing to risk the chance of a reaction, if I had an allergy to shellfish I would avoid this condish. I hope that made sense I am starting to get tired, lol.
Originally Posted by BrewCrewGrl
Great question Mickey, and thanks for the answer BCG.
I have an iodine/ shellfish allergy and I've used GPB without any problems, but I will be switching to the Swimmer's condish (vegan GPB) when I use up my current bottle. I find that my sensitivity to products increases the more I use them, so I should probably quit while I'm ahead.
Hair loves: aloe vera juice, cocoa butter, camellia oil


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Wonderful thread. I've been spending two weeks trying to diagnose my relationship to protein (thank you RCC!).

Coarse hair that isn't heat styled or abused = not wild about protein <--- finding this is true
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
What I understand is that each head of hair likes or dislikes different proteins and could explain protein sensitivity. Wheat or grain proteins seems to make my hair crispy (seems I am sensitive to those!) while silk protein doesn't. I think I have to be careful with keratine and maybe use it only once in a while. Avoiding all proteins was not good I found (for me). That became quite apparent after not using anything with protein for about three months.

-3A?
-Fine, ii (almost iii) thickness
-salon pintura and natural sun-made highlights combo
-CG since October 2007, rare occasional low poo.
-Growing it out
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What is AO's GPB?
Where can the Nexxus Emmergencee be purchased?
I love clams.
M.Taxi
3A-fi, with 2B underlayer, fine/thin hair with some wily greys.
Devacut 11/14/08. CG since late Sept 08.

New Experiments: CK, HoneyHemp CO, ACV Rinse, Honey, soap bar, aloe, KCCC, JC N&S, AOHR, AO GPB
Want to try:
Jojoba Oil or Coconut oil
GTTT
KBB
KBB Super Silky
KCNT

I mean I love all shellfish.
3A-fi, with 2B underlayer, fine/thin hair with some wily greys.
Devacut 11/14/08. CG since late Sept 08.

New Experiments: CK, HoneyHemp CO, ACV Rinse, Honey, soap bar, aloe, KCCC, JC N&S, AOHR, AO GPB
Want to try:
Jojoba Oil or Coconut oil
GTTT
KBB
KBB Super Silky
KCNT

Where can the Nexxus Emmergencee be purchased?
M.Taxi
Originally Posted by madamtaxi
I got my Emergencee at Walgreens. Might check there or CVS, RiteAid, depending on what's close to your area.
mostly 3a/fine/high porosity/low density
Cleanse: Bosley shampoo and conditioner
Stylers: Boots Curl Cream, Uncle Funky's Daughter, Curl Keeper
Gels: Volumax, Biolage, EcoStyler, BRHG
Shea butter to scrunch out the crunch and seal
Modified CG since Feb 2008
thanks I wasn't sure if it was a specialty/web item
3A-fi, with 2B underlayer, fine/thin hair with some wily greys.
Devacut 11/14/08. CG since late Sept 08.

New Experiments: CK, HoneyHemp CO, ACV Rinse, Honey, soap bar, aloe, KCCC, JC N&S, AOHR, AO GPB
Want to try:
Jojoba Oil or Coconut oil
GTTT
KBB
KBB Super Silky
KCNT

I mean I love all shellfish.
Originally Posted by madamtaxi
LOL! You're funny.

AO GPB is Aubrey Organics GPB conditioner. While we all love our abbreviations, this one is the actual name. GPB stands for Glycogen Protein Balancing. Here are the ingredients, just because:

INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Wheat Germ Oil, Lactalbumin, Organic Rosemary Oil, Organic Sage Oil, Horsetail Extract, Coltsfoot Extract, Nettle Extract, Amino Acid Complex (Cysteine, Methionine), Glycoprotein (from oyster shells), Balsam Oil, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).

Oh - and I totally love shellfish, too!
3B-a / NYC / Playing since August 08 / DevaCut 09.06.08 / Growing out

My Routine Involves: Soaps/DW, ACV, Dr. Bronner's Shikakai Rinse, V05 Vanilla Mint Co, AOHR, AOWC, AOGPB, KBB Nectars, KBB SS, JWhip MOUSSE, HETT mousse, KCCC, BRHG, KBB LL, AK Oil, Plopping w/ T-shirts, Pixie curl diffusing

*denotes HG status*

"You see the saints? They all had curly hair!" - Great Grandma Filomena, who never wore hats - even in the dead of winter.
it sounds delicious!
Have you used it? I feel silly buying a third conditioner.
3A-fi, with 2B underlayer, fine/thin hair with some wily greys.
Devacut 11/14/08. CG since late Sept 08.

New Experiments: CK, HoneyHemp CO, ACV Rinse, Honey, soap bar, aloe, KCCC, JC N&S, AOHR, AO GPB
Want to try:
Jojoba Oil or Coconut oil
GTTT
KBB
KBB Super Silky
KCNT

What kind of protein treatment can I use in the uk? Anyone know of one? I have no idea whether protein is in my routine or not- there is some on one of my conditioner but dont know whether it is a lot or a small amount.
This is a random question for anyone: I'm not allergic, but if you read the label, the AO GPB has oyster shell by-product in it. This really might be stupid, but does that mean those with shellfish allergies should take caution? Again, I'm sorry if this is stupid, but I was reminded of this random thought when AO GPB was mentioned...
I guess I would tell anyone with a shellfish allergy to be cautious. Here is my take on how shellfish allergies relate to me as a nurse. So iodine contrast is used in Cat scans. When people get CT's one of the questions is do you have a shellfish allergy? Because shellfish contain iodine, people with allergies to shellfish can have allergic reactions to CT contrast media because of the iodine. But some people while they cannot have injected iodine, they can use it on their skin topically such as betadine solution which also contains iodine.
Some people with shellfish allergies may be able to use the condish because it is not ingested only used topically. But I am not sure that I would be willing to risk the chance of a reaction, if I had an allergy to shellfish I would avoid this condish. I hope that made sense I am starting to get tired, lol.
Originally Posted by BrewCrewGrl
Great question Mickey, and thanks for the answer BCG.
I have an iodine/ shellfish allergy and I've used GPB without any problems, but I will be switching to the Swimmer's condish (vegan GPB) when I use up my current bottle. I find that my sensitivity to products increases the more I use them, so I should probably quit while I'm ahead.
Originally Posted by curlymaybe
First, the protein issue: Can anyone offer good examples of keratin deep treatments without mineral oil?

I'm allergic to crustaceans only (shrimp, lobster, crabs, crawfish - all the red things) as is my sister. It's never bothered me to touch iodine or even the critters themselves, while she cannot even touch a salt shaker that has just been handled by someone who's eating any of them. I just get deathly ill if I ingest it.

Anyway, I always caution doctors about it because of dyes, but betadine has never bothered me. I take vegetarian glucosamine with MSM instead of regular because most is derived from crustacean or other shellfish shells. I avoid products that contain chitin or chitosan for the same reason just to be on the safe side. All three can show up in all sorts hair and skin care products and in joint supplements and weight-loss products, so be careful if you're allergic, especially if you don't know whether you can handle it topically.

I've gotten in the habit of e-mailing companies and asking them the source of their glucosamine if it's something I really want to try. If they cannot tell me for certain that it's not from shellfish, I stay away from it - Olay Definity, for example. P&G wouldn't or couldn't say for sure either way.

Chitin and chitosan are crustaceous shells - there is no vegetarian source.
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett
Auntnett, here are the ingredients for the Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor (as opposed to the longer more intensive treatment). It does have amodimethicone.

Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Polysorbate 60, Behenamidopropylamine Behenatem Stearolkonium Chloride, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cocodimonium Hydrolyzed Hair Keratin, Hydrolzed Mucopolysac Charides, Sodium Coco Collagen Amino Acids, Wheat Germ Fatty Acids, Linoleic Acid, Linolenic Acid, Arachidonic Acid, Squalane, Avocado Oil, Acetimide MEA, Panthenol, Wheat Germ Oil, Jojoba Oil, Tocopherol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Sulfur, Amodimethicone, Polyquaternium 10, Linoleamidopropyl PG Dimonium, Chloride Phosphate, Tallowtrimonium Chloride, Nonoxynol 10, Cocoyl Sarcosine, Sorbitol, Fragrance, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben.

I just did a copy and paste, and the typing on the ingredietns list seems typed oddly.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I wanted to mention a deep protein cond. that I've been using that I really like. I've not been able to find an ingredients list to post, but from what I can tell it's CG. It's moisturizing too, so I don't need another cond. after using it.

It's L'anza Hair Repair Reconstructor. I buy it at Trade Secret: http://shopping.msn.com/specs/lanza-...tor-kb2-4-2-oz
Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys.

Last edited by Koukla72; 02-12-2009 at 02:52 PM.
What kind of protein treatment can I use in the uk? Anyone know of one? I have no idea whether protein is in my routine or not- there is some on one of my conditioner but dont know whether it is a lot or a small amount.
Originally Posted by kat180
I've used the MOP Extreme Protein Treatment which you can buy in John Lewis stores. I used it a few times and it was ok, then I used it last weekend and my hair has been horrible since - all flat and frizzy! But I was experimenting with other things so I won't blame the protein yet....
Hair type: 2c-M-ii with extra frizz
Great question Mickey, and thanks for the answer BCG.
I have an iodine/ shellfish allergy and I've used GPB without any problems, but I will be switching to the Swimmer's condish (vegan GPB) when I use up my current bottle. I find that my sensitivity to products increases the more I use them, so I should probably quit while I'm ahead.
Originally Posted by curlymaybe
First, the protein issue: Can anyone offer good examples of keratin deep treatments without mineral oil?

I'm allergic to crustaceans only (shrimp, lobster, crabs, crawfish - all the red things) as is my sister. It's never bothered me to touch iodine or even the critters themselves, while she cannot even touch a salt shaker that has just been handled by someone who's eating any of them. I just get deathly ill if I ingest it.

Anyway, I always caution doctors about it because of dyes, but betadine has never bothered me. I take vegetarian glucosamine with MSM instead of regular because most is derived from crustacean or other shellfish shells. I avoid products that contain chitin or chitosan for the same reason just to be on the safe side. All three can show up in all sorts hair and skin care products and in joint supplements and weight-loss products, so be careful if you're allergic, especially if you don't know whether you can handle it topically.

I've gotten in the habit of e-mailing companies and asking them the source of their glucosamine if it's something I really want to try. If they cannot tell me for certain that it's not from shellfish, I stay away from it - Olay Definity, for example. P&G wouldn't or couldn't say for sure either way.

Chitin and chitosan are crustaceous shells - there is no vegetarian source.
Originally Posted by auntnett
This is probably academic because I've so far been unable to locate an actual manufacturer for vegetarian source chitin or chitosan (darn it), but it is theoretically possible to produce it from vegetarian sources. It's found in some fungi and in plankton, in addition to crustacean and insect exoskeletons.
Originally Posted by Koukla72
I knew about insect exoskeletons but didn't want to gross anyone out, LOL (I always think cockroaches, e-e-e-w!). Didn't know about fungi or plankton, though - maybe eventually a commercial source will be available. It's only been in the last couple of years that vegetarian glucosamine has become fairly widely available. Now I'll know to ask about that, too - Thanks, Koukla!
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett
Auntnett, here are the ingredients for the Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor (as opposed to the longer more intensive treatment). It does have amodimethicone.

Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Polysorbate 60, Behenamidopropylamine Behenatem Stearolkonium Chloride, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cocodimonium Hydrolyzed Hair Keratin, Hydrolzed Mucopolysac Charides, Sodium Coco Collagen Amino Acids, Wheat Germ Fatty Acids, Linoleic Acid, Linolenic Acid, Arachidonic Acid, Squalane, Avocado Oil, Acetimide MEA, Panthenol, Wheat Germ Oil, Jojoba Oil, Tocopherol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Sulfur, Amodimethicone, Polyquaternium 10, Linoleamidopropyl PG Dimonium, Chloride Phosphate, Tallowtrimonium Chloride, Nonoxynol 10, Cocoyl Sarcosine, Sorbitol, Fragrance, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben.

I just did a copy and paste, and the typing on the ingredietns list seems typed oddly.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Thanks, RCC!
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett
Has anyone slept in the Nexxus Emergencee? I just went out and bought some after reading this thread.....I normally sleep in my DT's so I can rinse them out in the morning and start with fresh hair....anybody?????
mushy hair usually means that you need more protein.
can someone define what mushy hair is and how someone would know if their hair became mushy?

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