Ingredient questions

2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
You know, I didn't see the herbal yesterday, all I saw was the jojoba, aloe, awapuhi, hemp and tea tree oil. I think I would like the herbal scent, I bought my daughter an Aura shampoo (Sally's knock off of Aveda) that smells like cloves and I liked that.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
Halfwavy- That sounds nice, the knock off. I used Jojoba Shampoo prior to CG and it was really nice so I will bet the conditioner is great. I think their stocks kind of rotate. It does not seem to be a fast-moving, or large commercial product so you have to take what you can get.

Good curls to you.
3B, CG,Corkscrew
Xtramoist shampoo, Fastfood leave on, Recoil, varnish Gel-Herbal Essances, Totally Twisted
Irish-American Curly
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Any new questions? Any reminders for things we haven't covered? I feel like I am running out of things to discuss.
What about vital components of a conditioner? I know Paula Begoun did an article about what's necessary in a moisturizer for skin. Since hair is dead and many skin-okay ingreds are difficult to remove from hair, what does hair need to be "conditioned?"

Link to Paula Begoun's article:
Oh, I'd love to hear about the silicone in the new Aussie conditioners: bis-aminopropyl dimethicone.

Is it most like a silicone we are familiar with (dimethicone, amodimethicone, cyclomethicone, cyclopentasiloxane) or completely different?
Oooh, I've got another question, since you were fishing for some new ones.

Is lanolin always considered a wax, and would it be as difficult to remove as some of the other waxes from hair (beeswax, candelilla wax)?

Is there a difference in lanolin wax and lanolin (two different forms of lanolin), or is one description just more detailed but they are both waxes?
I have questions, but I'm not sure if they are suitable (also some of them are kind of dumb). They're about pH.

I reread the article here on pH and how different pH levels influence hair.

My questions are...
How important is pH in a rinse out product, such as shampoo or conditioner?
What pH is most effective for clarifying?
What pH is most effective for a leave-in product?
I've noticed triethanolamine showing up higher and higher in ingredient lists (example, Loreal Out of Bed Texture), suggesting that the product is perhaps more acidic to promote shine and smoothness. With daily use, would such a product be beneficial to the hair, or drying?
Many products are promoted for use on both hair and skin. I have read the skin has a different pH than hair, and also that the pH might vary depending on the intended purpose of the product (to cleanse, moisturize, plump or smooth). Also, it's temping to take something that works really well on our skin and apply it to our hair! For instance, I apply coconut oil to both my skin and hair and I have no idea what its pH level is. Do multi-use products generally have a neutral pH?

OK, that's it. Sorry to be so vague and rambling.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
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did anyone use mixed chicks? if yes is it good? are the ingrediants good for the hair?
Natural since Jan 2,07
I did a BC
Hair type:3C\3B
Multi-racial hair
Hair length:Started at neck and ears(in its curly state).In Dec 08 (2 years natural) My hair was somewhere near armpit length with bentonite clay in my hair.

Mission: to obtain healthy hair every day!!

Hair products:homemade products.....

Question: Can Cationic Surfactants used in conditioners actually worsen the condition of your hair with continued use?

I have this quote:
Cationic Surfactants: These are surfactants used in hair conditioners for their anti-static properties. However, they are synthetic, irritating to hair follicles, and toxic. Long-term use can make hair dry and brittle. Common cationic surfactants include Stearalkonium chloride, Benzalkonium chloride, Cetrimonium chloride, Cetalkonium chloride, and Lauryl dimonium hydrolysed collagen.
From this website:

I'm not sure if it is even possible to find a commercial hair conditioner without the above listed ingredients!

NOTE: The website that I mention has a strong bias and I question the accuracy of their statements, however I am curious if less of these ingredients in a conditioner is better.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
How can you estimate what percentage an ingredient makes up in a conditioner?
mod. CG 2C-3A/M/iii
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Currently: Trying to stop straightening so much. Using Elucence conditioner and whatever works for me.
I've searched and searched and all I can determine about this cone is that it is not water soluble. That being said, can it be removed through cowashing? Coco betaine? Milder sulfates? Or does it require SLS?

Currently using:

Poo: CON Sulfate Free poo
Rinse out: Tresemme Naturals
Leave-in: CJAOO Daily Cond
Styler: KCCC sparingly and Ampro Olive Oil Gel where needed
DT: KBB Lucious Locks Mask + EVOO/Avocado
I'd like to learn more about phenoxyethanol, much like you detailed additional info on parabens.

I thought phenoxyethanol was a Formaldehyde-releasing preservative, but your article listed it as an "aromatic alcohol" like benzyl alcohol. I'd love to hear more about its effect on skin as a potential irritant too.
I'm curious about ingredients which typically break into the cosmetics market in skin care products, become consumer buzzwords, then crossover to hair care products. It seems like marketers want people to think "if it's good for my skin, it'll be good for my hair." I'm wondering if these ingredients could provide any benefit when applied topically to hair:

retinyl palmitate
hyaluronic acid
vitamin c (& others)

Others that I expect to see soon:
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
Also, all these newer additives like linalool, citronellall, limonene, eugenol, geraniol... why are they worth adding, and what do they do?

ETA: And why do products have a whole bunch of them rather than just more of one or two of them? What makes them different from each other?
What is this hydroxyisohexyl 3-cyclohexene carboxaldehyde that I keep seeing in products?
What is Cetyl PEG/PPG-15/15 Butryl Ether Dimethicone? Is it CG-friendly? Are Alpha Olefin Sulfonate, Olefin Sulfonate and C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate harsh like sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate? What is the difference between the four?
3b-3c CG
Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys.

Last edited by Koukla72; 02-12-2009 at 06:37 PM.
oo, I'd love to see an article about curl enhancing ingredients since apparently my hair doesn't like magnesium sulfate!
~Melanie~ 2B/C depending on my hair's mood
Trying to find a routine my hair likes!

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