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I'm Lorraine (raindear), I'm 62 and it feels really weird to say I don't know what hair type I am, except that I know I am naturally curly. When I was 12, I remember that my hair fell just above my shoulder blades and was very frizzy. If I put my arm up my back and leaned my head back so I could grab a lock of it, I could then straighten my head and pull the lock straight and it would reach to my waist. That is the only indicator I have at present what my natural curl might be. I haven't really seen my curls in a natural state since then.
When I was 12 and put my hair in a pony tail, a halo of frizz which I could never control surrounded my face. I absolutely hated my hair.
I always wanted my hair to be shiny like "normal" people's hair. When I was 7 or 8, I saved up my money and bought a bottle of Vitalis. I dumped this stuff on my hair til it was "shiny". It must have looked horrid, but all I could see was "shiny".
My hair was cut short when I was 13, and except for a few attempts to grow it long since then, when I had to set it on huge rollers and spend hours drying it to prevent it frizzing, which always seemed too much trouble, so it was cut again after a few months, it has been short since.
The worst thing I ever did to my hair was to use a home straightening kit on it. My hair was straight, but it was also "dead". It just lay there. If I ran my fingers through it, it just flopped back down. I hated that worse than I ever hated my hair at any other time of my life.
One thing I have never done is use blow dryers, my hair seemed to frizz if I even thought of using one, so they always wound up unused in the cabinet.
When it is short, it doesn't frizz and using gels, mousses or such things, it is kept pretty much under control.
I am now trying to use the "Curly Girl" method to see what my curls might be if properly cared for and allowed to develop naturally. I am excited and hopeful, but trying to not have too high expectations.
After about 5 days on the program, I could feel little curls at the back wrapping around my finger. I was also noticing some lock separation and definition starting in the front, but it was somewhat less yet than the back seemed to be. I was so excited to go shopping and get a hand held mirror to check the back and see what it looked like.
I found the name of a "Curly Salon" here, and since I had a few questions that I hadn't found the answers to yet, I called for a hair care consultation. I told the receptionist that I had naturally curly hair, and was trying to use the Curly Girl method to coax the best curl out of my hair, but had a few questions. She made an appointment for me and I went in. When I met the stylist, I showed her the products I had been using, the products I am using now, and the products I am experimenting with to find what I like, and asked my outstanding questions. So far, so good. She liked the products I am using, expressed no opinion on those I am experimenting with, and answered my questions. Then I told her I am naturally curly and using the Curly Girl method to bring out my natural curl. Told her I was seeing curl definition and separation and was excited to see what my natural curl would look like when it developed. At this point, she looked like she didn't understand a word I was saying. She left for a minute, and I told my sister, I felt like I had suddenly started speaking Greek. Then the stylist returned, plugged in a blow dryer and in just a few swipes with a brush, homogenized my newly emerging curls into a "style". So I guess I start again at square 1. And keep hunting for a stylist.
I am a bit disappointed to find that until I know my hair type, I am unable to edit my profile, and my birthdate is incorrect and can't be fixed til I know my hair type, which right now I haven't a clue what it is.
I would apologize for the length of this, but I guess I just had a lot to say, and to an audience that would understand and listen.
Well, that is me, and "Hi, everyone."
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Hello, and welcome.

Keep searching for a stylist!
Hi Raindear,

Why don't you email me a photo, and I'll take a stab at your hair type? Also tell me your birthday and I'll get that fixed on your profile.

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You are beautiful!

Last edited by Gretchen; 02-27-2012 at 10:33 AM.
Thanks for the offer, Gretchen, but I already rated myself (at least at the back) a 3b based on the fact that those curls seem to be as big around as my finger. I need to get a few pics taken, so I can update if necessary, but I don't have any yet. I really love your hair, and that of so many others here. I do so wish I had heard of some of these things earlier. It seems such a shame to have hated my hair for 62 years before I found out there might have been a way for me to like/love it. I'm really glad to be here.
Ok, they aren't great, but I do have pics.

I wanted to document before and after tomorrow's haircut. Don't know if you can make out the curl pattern at the back, but you can see the thinning (age, I think) at my temples and the waves in the front. This is after L'Oreal EverCreme Sulfate-Free Shampoo and Conditioner. Rinsed out, no leave-in, leave-ins seem to leave me greasy. With John Frieda Frizz-Ease Dream Curl sprayed on wet. Air dried. Not my best hair day so far. Every shampoo is a new experiment right now.
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I would say you're probably a 3a, based on the pix.

It's never too late, right! I love that you're here, learning and absorbing everything... it's awesome!
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You are beautiful!
Welcome raindear! I'm sorry I missed this before, but I just read your story through the link from NC's Facebook page. Wonderful story and interview! I am happy you are finally able to embrace and love your curls! Woohoo!

It looks to me like you're a 3a, I agree with Gretchen. It will be easier to tell once it's been pampered a bit and allowed to show its full curl potential.

I'll be looking forward to finding your posts and following your hair journey into curls!

SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring"
3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
-- gone, but never forgotten.
Hi Raindear! Like you, I decided to stop fighting my curly hair later in life, at age 56. I've been a curly girl for a bit over a year now and am just now finding a routine that works. I've tried many of the products available on Curl Mart; some would work well for awhile, then my hair would abruptly reject them. After 6 months, I sent hair samples in for a hair analysis which helped a lot. After more research, I have decided that glycerin products don't work for my hair and that I should at all costs avoid protein products. My hair and I are finding that Curl Junkie products and Jessie Curl conditioners make us both happy. I still have to switch things up every now and then which isn't unusual from what I've read here.
Welcome! You and your hair are in good hands here! Keep reading, keep learning and keep experimenting!
Hair Type: Medium texture, low porosity, low elasticity (from Curl Wizard).Protein sensitive! Curl Type: 2C/3A
CoWash: VO5 Tea Therapy Nourishing Conditioner
Conditioner: Curl Junkie Smoothing Daily Hair Conditioner; sometimes Jessicurl Too Shea
DT: CJ Curl Rehab; Jessicurl Weekly Deep Conditioning Treatment
Leave In:Kinky Curly Knot Today
Gel: Finally found my HG!: Curl Junkie Pattern Pusha followed by Herbal Essences Totally Twisted gel on hair ends to maintain the curl pattern.
Welcome, raindear.

Your hair sounds just like mine. I've never successfully used a hair dryer... Why do so many people like them?? ha ha.

Do you deep condition? I try to do this once a week, to give my hair more shine and manageability. I use gels and mouses too to define my hair, and coat it lightly with an oil to give it shine.

It I let my hair dry in a braid and coat it with a little oil or hair spray (CG friendly, of coarse), I can let it down and experience wavy hair. Yours is much too short right now, but you could do a few braids instead, or try a wrap.

I hope this helps. Welcome. There is plenty of information here for a person willing to look and learn! Glad to have you.
3B ; BSL; Low Porosity; Med Texture; CG since July '10.
Clean: Ever Sleek
Treat: EVCO, Neutrogena 3xMoisture
Tools: Boar Brush, wide tooth comb
Styler: Garnier Sleek&Shine
Thank you for all the kind words.

Since I started using this new system, I have already seen the back of my head separating into little curls. The top and front had been "trained" into the wavy bang for so long that I was beginning to wonder whether it had any curl at all, or that wave pattern was all I had there. Now, though it is finally beginning to show some curl formation and definition. It is fairly loose, but it is beginning to show.

Since I have no heat or chemical damage, I hadn't really thought too much about PTs or DTs, but I recognize that I really ought to do these, so I will be on the look out for some to incorporate into my new regimen.

Checking with the Deva Curl site, I found a few stylists in Las Vegas. Now, I have to decide whether I want to consult with one now, or wait til I really feel the need for a cut/trim.
Be Happy!


Experimenting with too many products to name here. All this great info keeps my head spinning.
Look! An article about Raindear!
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