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Ramble, ramble while it's on my mind ...

After thinking about the GoT drama, I had to search for the very long blog I could not make my way through a few years ago, due to spoilers and numerous sporadic arguments that self invalidated every previous argument the author made... and a shorter reaction piece that I agreed with. I won't post either because I still won't read all of the first blog and know some people here just started watching the series. The reaction piece has a couple of spoilers too, near the end, that I skipped over BUT both blogs will be named for anyone who did not see them, has read the books or doesn't mind spoilers, and may be interested.

Part of the reaction piece titled:

All Leather Must Be Boiled
A Song of Ice and Feminism

"Via Westeros comes word of this scathing critique of A Song of Ice and Fire, and really George R.R. Martin personally, by the writer Sady Doyle.

Like most of the Doyle I’ve read, it’s intended to end a conversation, not start one—a feminist subset of the oh snap/sick burn/shots fired/ether school of arts criticism you’ll find elsewhere. To be sure, I can see the value that Doyle’s combination of razor wit and incandescent anger — the “Tiger Beatdown” of her blog’s title — holds for many people, given the topics she tackles; I’ve found it valuable myself at times. But to say she’s shooting first and asking questions later in this case is to say she’s asking questions at all, and frankly I don’t think so. It’s clear from the opening paragraphs, which reference apparent earlier fights with J.K. Rowling and Stephen King fans, that this is the latest salvo in an ongoing conflict with nerd culture*. Martin’s just collateral damage, subject to misreading that’s egregious at best and willful at worst.

The tone is set early on:
…guess what, George R.R. Martin fans? I don’t like your toys. Deal with that. Meditate for a while. Envision a blazing bonfire in a temple, and breathe in its warmth and serenity. Then, imagine me dumping all your comic books and action figures and first-edition hardback Song of Ice and Fire novels INTO the bonfire, and cackling wildly.

There’s nothing quite like the invocation of bookburning to get the conversation going! And it’s certainly rich to see the hard line Doyle takes against comment-thread trolls (loudly and often!) for a post entitled “Enter Ye Myne Mystic World of Gayng-Raype: What the ‘R’ stands for in ‘George R.R. Martin,’” as if everything had been the very model of civil, respectful engagement with opposing ideas until those pesky trolls showed up.

The piece is also stuffed with enough category errors that it’s almost a waste of time engaging it. For example, in response to protestations that Martin’s depiction of child marriage in the medieval-analogue setting of Westeros is simply a realistic reflection of that setting, Doyle basically says “Oh yeah? Well, you know what’s not realistic? Dragons!”, then sits back smiling and waiting to collect high fives. If she’s unwilling or unable to draw a distinction between actual, demonstrable facets of human behavior (however awful) and basic generic staples of fantastic fiction, why even bother? And this in turn is just a facet of the sort of “depiction = endorsement/enjoyment” fallacy that bad critics have been leveling at violent genre work since the dawn of time."

My thoughts exactly! On the first 3 pages that is Along with, that was really weird. *As far as I can tell, Fandom can be a strange land anyway with plenty of awkward feuds.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Last edited by Fifi.G; 04-07-2014 at 07:56 PM.
I am sorry, Claudine. I hope you find something steady and fulfilling, and enjoy your side project in the meantime.
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When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Speaking of fans and critics... I caught part of a story on One Direction fans. Oooooh my! Okay, I remember what it was like to love NKOTB when I was 12-14. I saw them in concert twice. I was told I was going to hell by some strange Fundamentalists on NC States campus, carrying a large wooden cross. That really made no sense. I watched girls crumble to ground, crying, and faint. I saw footage of people crowding them, and the stray fan that made their way on stage. I have no idea what type of fan mail they got. I never sent them any mail, but I do remember Donnie doing a lot for little girls. Visiting sick children that were fans and pulling a 4 or 5 year old on the stage and singing cute songs to her at every concert. Much better reaction than a teen, any day of the week. This is no different than the reaction several other male singers or groups have gotten through out the years. Just watch old footage of The Beatles (Elvis fans practically had seizures). The difference (explored in a documentary) comes with technology/increased unhealthy celebrity obsession/increased disconnect with reality and the ease being able to follow these groups and their girlfriends on social media. I read about the number of death threats their girlfriends receive several months ago, and just watched several videos of young girls begging/demanding to be "followed" or they would commit suicide. I'm sure some musicians got some crazy snail mail back in the day but this is a very large common now.

I have no interest in this boy band. I'm past my phase (I would still grin ear to ear if I happened to meet one of the NKOTB) but I would like to watch this documentary.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Last edited by Fifi.G; 04-07-2014 at 08:21 PM.
Claudine, I'm sorry. I'm glad you realized your heart was dying and got out before it shriveled up. Creative types need full hearts
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Perri said it best. Good thoughts your way, claudine.
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Ugh, the skank supposedly got drunk and slept with TWO guys in one day. They both have GFs, one of whom I know...

I am the new Black.

"Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
Ninj, you manage to make even your stories of frustration entertaining to read. You always land on your feet. Kudos for that, hun.
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I am the new Black.

"Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
Dang! I do love it when someone rips both political parties playing the exact same blame game. They threw in "tighty-righties" and "pissy pant liberals". Democracy for all...

Rather good and brutally honest rant on the non stop demand for empty apologies between politicians/political parties, religious groups, activists, the general public/pains in the a**, entertainers, artists, actors, and media (along with others) AND it's frequent, self centered, strategical use as a means to elevate the constant "victim". As opposed to something sincere and of a persons volition.

I'm kind of glad I watched Entertainment Tonight. I wanted to see the story about the Boston Bombing victims who were married in Asheville, and in the mean time I was sent on an entertaining behavioral psychology/sociology research mission. Between celebrity obsession and public demands, there is a lot to look at. I have not even made it to the story about the family being attacked for taking their kids on a lengthy sail boat trip yet. Lol. I demand an apology because your kid got sick on a boat that stalled, you had a plan, called for help, and everyone is fine!
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

They have some chuckle worthy commenters on the NPR coverage of this story.

Sheila She Eli Myes
5 hours ago
So taking a cruise is a huge no no if you have children? Even the Disney cruise line? Because people get sick on cruise ships all the time. They also break down. And pirates! I highly recommend we all avoid the ocean!

Maddie Lady Sheila She
5 hours ago
And the woods! You know how dangerous the woods are.

LabsAreDoggieDogs! Maddie Lady
4 hours ago
Bears, Hefalumps and Woozles! (Winnie the Pooh)

Lencho Maddie Lady
5 hours ago
No only are they dangerous, they smell like dirt. ;0)

Luc S Sheila She
5 hours ago
Yarrr! Pirates, matey!

Oh dear. Granted, I probably would not take small children out on a lengthy boat trip, but I did not grow up near an ocean and I am not married to (anyone) an experienced sailor. That's a way of life for several people, and their children, all over the world. I am glad they are all okay, and I would not call that an unnecessary rescue they need to be billed for. From what I understand they had solar panels, emergency plans, a ton of supplies, life boats, vests, etc. They came prepared but the child got sick. I would rather bill those parents who drag their unhappy city teenagers camping only to them throw a fit, run off into the woods with no water/jacket/clue, and get completely and utterly lost (somehow in 10-15 minutes time). Or those parents who call demanding rescue because their teenagers took a walk 10 minutes ago, are back yet, and it will be getting dark in 2 hours. That is needless, especially considering the kids are normally (and thankfully) back about the time the rescue squad gets on scene with full gear and ATV's. And because I grew up running around in the woods. It's a natural thing for me. I can't say a sick child is a needless rescue in any instance. Or that they deserve to have their children taken away from them. DSS hardly removes children from highly abusive situations. Taking a child from their parent is a last measure after chances are given. I will not be saying they deserve to have their home taken away from them (leaving the poor, neglected children homeless?) because that is stupid, and the Coast Guard already sunk their home. As in they lived on a boat and both children were born on a boat. It was taking on water anyway.

ETA: I think the dumbest thing people are doing is yelling, "We tax payers who have been paying into the funds for years will be footing the bill! Not these trust fund yuppies!" under articles that clearly state she is a teacher and owner of am Etsy boutique and he is former Navy/Coast Guard (one, the other, both... who knows they all say something different) and works for a financial company of some type. Hence, they are more than likely tax payers too. That and all the "devastating unknown illness", "life threatening sickness, but we don't know what it is". Lol. A fever that would not respond to meds and a rash. She had salmonella before the trip but was cleared by a doctor. This was something different, despite reports saying they were in a salmonella diaper den. Lord. Again, it would not be my choice but the dra-ma!
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Last edited by Fifi.G; 04-08-2014 at 02:23 AM.
Claudine, I echo what perri said and hope something permanent and fulfilling comes along for you.
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I was just looking at pictures of Menudo (band not soup). I can remember them on tv when I was little. They were on some shows and saturday mornings in between cartoons. I also remember seeing some pictures here and there. I thought some of the band members were cute but... I have vague memories of them dancing while stripping off their shirts and some were young. Just, Just look at the pictures

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Lard those metallic hysterectomy pants (late 70's and very disco), giving life to "the wet look" and pool side passion. Even the 10 year old was a little too adult for me, but I was in kindergarten.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Last edited by Fifi.G; 04-08-2014 at 07:55 PM.
The tip of the iceberg research being done on diabetic mood swings is a bit amazing. One would think they had more research on it now considering that it is a large part of the illness that people have been dealing with for many years. It does seem to be getting addressed now, but so many are still clueless. I came across a blog by a woman from 2008. Her husband had been diagnosed a few years before and she was at the end of her rope. She closed the blog with...

We now have 3 children and I can only explain the drastic personality shift on his diabetes. I can see his lows and I sympathize with those who say their husband is defensive and angry at the suggestion that he check his bloodsugar. I also am concerned that he is able to detect them less and less. Last night though, I am certain that it was a sudden increase that was the reason for his mood. I could hear his mood change in the way that he spoke to the kids and basically fell apart. I convinced him to check his blood sugar being certain it was low, but it was high. I am less and less tolerant, and more and more angry, he refuses to acknowledge it, and none of this is good. Does anyone else have this experience? Or maybe, he really is a different person now and there is no link.

He refuses to acknowledge it because he does not always remember it. Diabetics can feel it coming on but there is often not much they can do after that, until their sugar regulates. Not letting him off scott free. Taking care of yourself is the most important step to controlling it but so many fail. Miserable disease. I felt for this woman too

Anonymous Jun. 05, 2008
Karen, thank you for validating the mood swings diabetics certainly have. I am still trying to convince my children that their father truly loved them, and that it was his illness which caused him to speak to them so harshly, and act in such an aggressive manner to me, and to them, seemingly out of the blue.

I think when he finally accepted, and got, greater control over his diabetes, late, but in time for our younger children not to experience the trauma that the older ones did, life was much calmer, and loving. Have patience, and love, and forgiveness for him,and "there but for the grace of God go I" acceptance, and keep the sugar under strict control, and things WILL get better. Love...E
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Not only is the lack of research mind blowing but the small amount 10 years ago stated those with low (hypo) blood sugar had more aggressive mood swings than those with high (hyper). Horse isht. If you can become angry when your sugar drops, than why not when it is high? They are both extreme and sudden changes in your body. Not only that but not all diabetics are exactly the same. Some would be in a coma if the levels reached what is mild to others. My dad reached 4 or 500 often, and was walking and talking. I had a good friend who would be running from the cops with his sugar at 30 and pulling a shot gun on them when it was at 500. They had to watch it when approaching him. *He was known to shoot through doors for no reason* He was an alcoholic/diabetic. Really not a good combo. Diabetics alone is bad enough.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Last edited by Fifi.G; 04-08-2014 at 10:47 PM.
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