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Last edited by AngelaE9999; 11-09-2016 at 07:20 PM.
The People have spoken: No more Clintons, No more Bushes. Period.

Last edited by AngelaE9999; 11-09-2016 at 11:02 PM.
Yes, the people have spoken . . . and they wanted Hilary. Hilary WON the election. She WON the popular vote. The people of America voted for Hilary. It was the electoral that gave Trump presidency, and the electoral is a disgrace to democracy.

Don't take my word for it, of course. Even Trump agrees:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
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Yes, the people have spoken . . . and they wanted Hilary. Hilary WON the election. She WON the popular vote. The people of America voted for Hilary. It was the electoral that gave Trump presidency, and the electoral is a disgrace to democracy.

Don't take my word for it, of course. Even Trump agrees:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
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Yes, the people have spoken . . . and they wanted Hilary. Hilary WON the election. She WON the popular vote. The people of America voted for Hilary. It was the electoral that gave Trump presidency, and the electoral is a disgrace to democracy.

Don't take my word for it, of course. Even Trump agrees:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
Originally Posted by BotticelliBrit
Ummmmmm....no, it doesn't work that way. And it also doesn't matter what Donald Trump once said. The Electoral College was written into the Constitution for the very purpose of making sure that the rural areas and smaller states have a voice. If we did not have it, it would be "mob rule" and Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago would run the entire country.

You, a Brit, do not get to decide what should and should not happen with US Elections. In order to change the Constitution, they would have to have 2/3 of the Senate, 2/3 or the House of Representatives, and 75% of the states to agree. That is not going to happen.




The Electoral College, explained
Blue is Hillary Clinton, Red is Donald Trump

P.S. When people were claiming that Hillary had "won the popular vote" there were still three states left whose vote tallies had not been included. All three of those states were states that Trump won; how do you know how many votes Trump actually got?
You're also forgetting the 4.1 million people who voted for Gary Johnson, the 1.4 million who voted for Jill Stein, and the 845,000 who voted "other", equaling six million more people who did NOT vote for Hillary Clinton. No way can you say she won the "popular vote" because there were millions more votes that were NOT for Hillary Clinton than votes that were for her. No, the Electoral College is a good thing for the country, it's served us well for over 200 years, and it's not going anywhere.

The "Election Results" given on Election Night were unofficial results in most states, as well. While none of the states reporting believe there will be enough "outstanding ballots" to change the outcome, the official results won't actually be known for at least two weeks.


Last edited by AngelaE9999; 11-13-2016 at 03:44 PM.
One more response: All of you who are bemoaning Hillary's loss due to what you say is the "popular vote" (which she lost by more than 6 million votes in actuality), what do you have to say about the "Superdelegates" in the Primaries? Hillary won the primaries due to Superdelegates who were committed to her before any voting or caucuses started. If you want to toss anything outside of "votes of regular American voters" then you also have to toss out Hillary's win in the primaries, meaning Bernie Sanders should have been running against Trump. You can't have it both ways.
Hillary won the popular vote in the primaries, too, including the states who caucus.

Was The Democratic Primary A Close Call Or A Landslide? | FiveThirtyEight

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...million-votes/
Originally Posted by MsSoftee

No, she didn't. She won the "popular vote" only in states that do not caucus. The states that caucus showed Bernie as winner in just about all of them:

The truth is that caucus states don’t have a popular vote. That doesn’t make their vote less important. It just changes how the people of that state choose to make the decision on who to select in the primary.

Most people making claims about Hillary’s popular vote advantage talk about her having around a three million vote lead. I went to the 2016 Democratic Popular Vote page on RealClearPolitics. The page, not including West Virginia, shows Hillary with a 3,135,834 lead.

Then I took a list of the caucus states that Bernie has won, and he’s won almost all of them.

I dug up 2015 census data on the populations of those states and then pulled from Real Clear Politics, the total votes and the winning spread for Sanders in the caucus states. The numbers are below. First observation— for states totaling roughly 35 million people, some which Bernie won by 70%, he is given a total spread advantage of 160,000 votes. That’s outrageous.
Debunking Hillary's Specious "Winning the Popular Vote" Claim | The Huffington Post

What this means is that the states that caucus have roughly 35 million voters. Out of those voters, Bernie got about 70%. 70% of 35 million is a lot more than the three million "more" votes they assigned to Hillary Clinton. It would actually be 21.5 million more votes than Hillary got.

Last edited by AngelaE9999; 11-13-2016 at 08:27 PM.
DARRELL HUCKABY: Take a seat — history class is in session:

Goodness gracious sakes alive, does this country need a history lesson! Never in the past four years have I wanted so badly to have a class of people to teach. Teenagers or adults or senior citizens — it wouldn’t have mattered. I have seen so much appalling ignorance about our country, its history and its constitution that I have just wanted to grab the populace and shake them until they understood.


For starters, I am tired of hearing about our democracy and the popular vote. We are not a democracy, and a whole lot of people should be really glad about that, too, because in a democracy, mob rule applies. The majority is the boss of everybody, and if we had been a democracy in 1865 slavery would have never been abolished. If we had been a democracy in 1920, the women would have never gotten the vote. If we had been a democracy in 1964 and 1965, those historic pieces of civil rights legislation would never have been approved. In fact, if we had been a democracy in 1776, the Declaration of Independence would never have been adopted because the majority of the colonists were afraid to pursue independence, just like a majority of Americans opposed women’s suffrage and abolition and sweeping civil rights reform.



For the record, Abraham Lincoln did not get a majority of the popular vote in 1860, and Bill Clinton did not get a majority of the popular vote in 1992 or 1996.



“Oh, yes he did!” screamed one of my Facebook friends this week. “I know Lincoln got the most votes and so did Clinton.”



Most means plurality, y’all. A majority is 50 percent plus one. And while we are on the subject, we are not a democratic republic, either, no matter what the revisionist history books might claim. That’s just a term Andrew Jackson coined for political purposes in the 1820s and it stuck with some people. We are a republic. We have a federalist form of government where the power is supposed to be divided between the states and the central government and neither is subservient to the other. Both are supposed to get their powers directly from the people.



And by the way, the U.S. Constitution does not give any of us the right to have a say so in who becomes president of the United States. Oh, no, it doesn’t. That power is vested entirely in the Electoral College, and under the Constitution states still have the authority to decided how those electors are chosen. It wasn’t until 1842 that the last state started allowing the people to vote for those electors.



If we eliminated the Electoral College people in two-thirds of the states would be virtually disenfranchised when it came to presidential elections. All the time, money and effort would be spent wooing voters in California, New York and Florida.



Now about the transition of power. Political parties are not mentioned in the Constitution and were thought to be a dangerous thing by our founders. But parties arose almost immediately because people have always had differences of opinions about political issues. The first 12 years under the Constitution found the government in the hands of the Federalist Party. But in the election of 1800 — also called the Revolution of 1800 — Thomas Jefferson, leader of the Republican Party, was chosen to be president. When John Adams, his Federalist opponent, stepped down on inauguration day in 1801, it marked the first time in the history of the world that a group in power had relinquished power without violence or threat of violence, simply because the people said that’s what they wanted. It has worked that way ever since.



And now the people have spoken and the message is loud and clear, under the Constitution, that the people want this country to go in a new direction. And no matter how much they hated to do so, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, and President Obama did and said all the right things this week to propel us toward that smooth transition.
And yet in many of our nation’s cities, ignorant young people who have no knowledge of how this Republic is supposed to work are dying to get attention by marching in the streets and generally acting the fool — and, no, these are not the peaceful protests guaranteed by the First Amendment. You must have a grievance to protest. These are spoiled brats and attention-seekers and they should be ashamed.



And if you are interested, I have about 38 years worth of lessons stored up. Class can start as soon as everyone gets here.

Last edited by AngelaE9999; 11-14-2016 at 12:30 AM.
Popular vote = net vote of all American voters. Caucusing states did not negate her win by popular vote, is what I meant.

You seem angry. Headachy? Perhaps that is what he meant by getting "tired of winning".

‘Please Mr. President, I have a headache. Please, don't win so much. This is getting terrible.’ And I'm going to say, ‘No, we have to make America great again.’ You're gonna say, ‘Please.’ I said, ‘Nope, nope. We're gonna keep winning.’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...outh-carolina/

Time for coffee and donuts!
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And to look askance at a representative body (caucus) reducing the worth of the citizens' votes while loving up the electoral college is funny
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You DO realize that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced out of her position as head of the DNC because of her mishandling of the primary election and Bernie Sanders, right? What, you just think she retired smack dab in the middle of a Presidential Election season just because? Look it up; you'll see.

Therefore, let’s ask some questions ignored by “progressive” media. What if the DNC had attended joint Bernie Sanders fundraisers, or reviewed a POLITICO piece because of some type of agreement? What if DNC staffers pitched anti-Hillary narratives to communications director Luis Miranda? Imagine the outrage had DNC officials targeted Hillary’s belief in God, or asked a Sanders attorney to devise strategies against Clinton.


Furthermore, the enormous advantages of having the DNC on her side bolstered Clinton, and hurt Sanders in the same manner any challenger would be undermined by such favoritism. To ignore the effects of the DNC’s underhanded tactics on media coverage, and the media’s bias against Bernie as a result, is to condone the rigged primary against Bernie. Presidential campaigns are won and lost by media, and political parties rallying around a particular candidate. In Bernie’s case, his missteps were magnified, his chances were minimized, and the potential consequences of Clinton’s FBI criminal investigation were virtually ignored by mainstream media. For an explanation of how The New York Times has become Hillary Clinton’s PR firm, simply watch one of my recent YouTube segments.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0b3bb4b0800bd

Last edited by AngelaE9999; 11-14-2016 at 01:05 PM.
And to look askance at a representative body (caucus) reducing the worth of the citizens' votes while loving up the electoral college is funny
Originally Posted by MsSoftee
Nobody "looked askance" at anything. I said that it's a double standard to be perfectly fine with caucusing to choose a candidate (caucus is NOT a popular vote process) and then whine and cry about the Electoral College system. You either want only popular vote (which will result in mob rule) or you're okay with the system the way it is. What is really happening here is that you are fine with the system until it doesn't favor your candidate. Then you want it to be changed.


And yes, if the caucus states that Bernie won by 70% had held a vote instead, he'd have many millions more votes than Hillary. You can't compare apples to oranges and say Hillary won the popular vote. And your "angry and headachy" insults are offensive as it is that exact mentality that women have been fighting against for decades. Every time someone doesn't like something they say or do it's blamed on hormones or PMSing. You act like this is the 1950s or something. I thought that Hillary's supporters were in favor of progress for women? You just proved that that is not true.

Last edited by AngelaE9999; 11-14-2016 at 01:06 PM.
Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.
“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations.
Yes, I see the value of the electoral votes. No more Clintons, no more Bushes. Fine. But Trump? Really??!!! He hired Stephen Bannon. A certifed anti-semite. Really???!!! Must we wait until they start incinerating Jews?

And what of Senator McCain who blatantly refused to approve any democrat's nominations to the Supreme Court? Are you okay with that? Because that is an obstruction of our democracy. And Speaker Paul Ryan wants to be able to fire sitting Justices. How is that democratic? This is an ogilarchy that is not serving the American people. And somehow Trump is going to fix this? This ignorant buffon? I am absolutely traumatized by this election result. I am grief stricken. Inconsolable. Eff every last person who voted for him. Eff you in both ears. Sorry not sorry. Eff you.
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If I have offended anyone, I don't care. Ban me. You have offended me by electing this racist, mysogynist, ignoramus. Sorry your mortgage rate is high, or whatever your teeny, tiny personal issue is. I hope he fixes it for you before he starts incinerating Jews.
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