I can only speak about the honey. I used it without really paying attention to color change. I ran into someone that I hadn't seen in about a month and they commented on my lighter hair. Then I looked at it more closely, and it had lightened alot. I used it every time I wet my hair - usually every other day.
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI